Whatevr's Success Story - With Timeline

[sunchyme1]

ultra level beard density. i need this sh*t to survive

 

[Trichosan]

Beard transplant from pubic area donor site. Best way.

 

[whatevr]

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famous rick. how the f*** have you not heard of this guy?

anyway mate, talking about androgens and sh*t, i know you know your stuff about all this. how do i increase my beard growth? i have relatively decent beard density at 30 but to pull off baldness i need jason stathm level sh*t.

does all that pro androgens stuff help with speeding up beard density/growth?

-L-carnitine L-tartrate on-site to increase androgen receptor density
-Andractim or other DHT cream on beard
-Pregnenolone + DHEA to stimulate androgens systemically
-Other sh*t to f*** with: 7-keto DHEA, 11-keto DHT, androsterone
-Minoxidil?

 

[sunchyme1]

Beard transplant from pubic area donor site. Best way.

well ive gots lots donor there so ill into it cheers

 

[whatevr]

Update.

The last week I've been eating low fat high carb and taking some thyroid hormones to see if I can feel a bit more energetic and improve my libido.

Well, since low fat decreases estrogen by up to 50% (and keeps testosterone about the same), and thyroid hormones tend to increase androgen synthesis...

Guess what happened in that week? My hair shed like a motherfucker and it looks like RU stopped working. I look like sh*t. Never shed so hard in my life, it's like I'm taking letrozole all over again. My entire right temple is just GONE... like, the density there got halved in a mere 6 days.

What in the actual f***.

So, people, there you have it - the only reason why RU works for me is because I am probably deficient in androgens and oversaturated with estrogen. The moment I tried to correct that, I shed like a b**ch and everything stopped working. Oh and I seriously doubt it's a "regrowth shed" either.

Well, back to feeling like crap I guess.

THIS is why male pattern baldness ruins lives. I cannot have a girlfriend because of this - hair loss meds kill my libido and make me feel anxious, low energy, I am no fun and I feel like sh*t. If I don't take meds, I will go bald. Either way, the girl will leave me due to being unable to f*** her or going bald. Either way it is impossible to live a normal life with male pattern baldness genetics. There is no winning combination here. It's just one lottery where everything you draw is a piece of sh*t.

 

[Roberto_72]

Update.

The last week I've been eating low fat high carb and taking some thyroid hormones to see if I can feel a bit more energetic and improve my libido.

Well, since low fat decreases estrogen by up to 50% (and keeps testosterone about the same), and thyroid hormones tend to increase androgen synthesis...

Guess what happened in that week? My hair shed like a motherfucker and it looks like RU stopped working. I look like sh*t. Never shed so hard in my life, it's like I'm taking letrozole all over again. My entire right temple is just GONE... like, the density there got halved in a mere 6 days.

What in the actual f***.

So, people, there you have it - the only reason why RU works for me is because I am probably deficient in androgens and oversaturated with estrogen. The moment I tried to correct that, I shed like a b**ch and everything stopped working. Oh and I seriously doubt it's a "regrowth shed" either.

Well, back to feeling like crap I guess.

THIS is why male pattern baldness ruins lives. I cannot have a girlfriend because of this - hair loss meds kill my libido and make me feel anxious, low energy, I am no fun and I feel like sh*t. If I don't take meds, I will go bald. Either way, the girl will leave me due to being unable to f*** her or going bald. Either way it is impossible to live a normal life with male pattern baldness genetics. There is no winning combination here. It's just one lottery where everything you draw is a piece of sh*t.

Not to mention that fina and duta make it more difficult for you to be a dad. It's not a win-win situation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17299062/

 

[Grasshüpfer]

Lol. I'm at the other end of the spectrum with my e2. Huge shedding this week, too. Looks like finasteride and ru are too weak. Debating if I wait or immediately jump on dutasteride.

 

[Grasshüpfer]

Not to mention that fina and duta make it more difficult for you to be a dad. It's not a win-win situation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17299062/

Well, yeah. One problem at a time.
Hair > gf > kids

 

[whatevr]

Lol. I'm at the other end of the spectrum with my e2. Huge shedding this week, too. Looks like finasteride and ru are too weak. Debating if I wait or immediately jump on dutasteride.

Why have you stopped using E2 when yours is too low?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

@whatevr where is that flow chart you posted that showed the different mechanisms of action of ketoconazole?

 

[whatevr]

@whatevr where is that flow chart you posted that showed the different mechanisms of action of ketoconazole?

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP17A1#/media/File:Steroidogenesis.svg

And this: https://journals.prous.com/journals/dof/20093411/html/df340873/images/fig01.gif

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP17A1#/media/File:Steroidogenesis.svg

And this: https://journals.prous.com/journals/dof/20093411/html/df340873/images/fig01.gif

Where's ketoconazole in the first image?

 

[whatevr]

Where's ketoconazole in the first image?

Nowhere, the image is what you get when you follow the links in this paragraph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoconazole#Antiandrogen_and_antiglucocorticoid

 

[Grasshüpfer]

Why have you stopped using E2 when yours is too low?

Because it causes massive shedding. I used it on Christmas and once last week and I'm loosing hair like hell. Not sure if the shedding is good or bad, but I can't risk it.

But I guess it causes immediate upregulation. I also got massive boners when I started ru.

 

[FutureSaitama]

Because it causes massive shedding. I used it on Christmas and once last week and I'm loosing hair like hell. Not sure if the shedding is good or bad, but I can't risk it.

Dude, just buzz it short and commit to a treatment. That's what i did.

 

[Grasshüpfer]

Dude, just buzz it short and commit to a treatment. That's what i did.

Problem is I'm not sure it's really a treatment.

But I will start minoxidil and maybe dutasteride soon.

 

[Devop911]

Grasshüpfer where you get Dua in Germany?

 

[Medina]

Some people have expressed the idea that I am now NW0, unfortunately that's not quite the case. I uploaded a 3rd hairline photo with my hair swept up and wet from Minoxidil, there you can see the damage on the temples that I have yet to recover.

You can also see the very fine, silver hairs just along the edges of the hairline - these are the result of estrogen and appeared in the past 3 weeks since adding Alpicort F. Hope I can make them terminal!

Have you considered the Alpicort F worked because of the corticosteroids? There was a guy who took Seretide for years and when he stopped his baldness become aggressive. I asthmatic and own a Seretide inhaler and have seriously thought about applying it topically lol.

 

[Pacey123]

Have you considered the Alpicort F worked because of the corticosteroids? There was a guy who took Seretide for years and when he stopped his baldness become aggressive. I asthmatic and own a Seretide inhaler and have seriously thought about applying it topically lol.

Wouldn't recommend alpicort especially because of the corticosteroids, it's not a long term solution since it fucks your scalp/skin in the long term because it's thinning it.

 

[Medina]

Wouldn't recommend alpicort especially because of the corticosteroids, it's not a long term solution since it fucks your scalp/skin in the long term because it's thinning it.

Fair enough. I wonder if using straight estradiol cream (conservatively) could garner results with little sides.

My hairloss is VERY slow so I'm looking for regrowth rather than maintenance