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Ruby

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Fair enough. I wonder if using straight estradiol cream (conservatively) could garner results with little sides.

My hairloss is VERY slow so I'm looking for regrowth rather than maintenance

I've been using Oestrogel every few days and it seems to help, but the best thing I've found that worked for me when I notice an increase in shed starting to happen, is to use some topical Progestelle oil for a couple days... that really has been slamming the brakes on my sheds.

But then my endocrine system has now been radically flipped 180 degrees out of phase from what it used to be, so what works for me might not work for y'all.
 

Grasshüpfer

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Medina

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I've been using Oestrogel every few days and it seems to help, but the best thing I've found that worked for me when I notice an increase in shed starting to happen, is to use some topical Progestelle oil for a couple days... that really has been slamming the brakes on my sheds.

But then my endocrine system has now been radically flipped 180 degrees out of phase from what it used to be, so what works for me might not work for y'all.

Hi Ruby, I have some questions

Does stemoxydine work?
What have you had regrowth with?
Would Oestrogel every few days be too risky for a cis male?
 

Johnmpb

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Update.

The last week I've been eating low fat high carb and taking some thyroid hormones to see if I can feel a bit more energetic and improve my libido.

Well, since low fat decreases estrogen by up to 50% (and keeps testosterone about the same), and thyroid hormones tend to increase androgen synthesis...

Guess what happened in that week? My hair shed like a motherfucker and it looks like RU stopped working. I look like sh*t. Never shed so hard in my life, it's like I'm taking letrozole all over again. My entire right temple is just GONE... like, the density there got halved in a mere 6 days.

What in the actual f***.

So, people, there you have it - the only reason why RU works for me is because I am probably deficient in androgens and oversaturated with estrogen. The moment I tried to correct that, I shed like a b**ch and everything stopped working. Oh and I seriously doubt it's a "regrowth shed" either.

Well, back to feeling like crap I guess.

THIS is why male pattern baldness ruins lives. I cannot have a girlfriend because of this - hair loss meds kill my libido and make me feel anxious, low energy, I am no fun and I feel like sh*t. If I don't take meds, I will go bald. Either way, the girl will leave me due to being unable to f*** her or going bald. Either way it is impossible to live a normal life with male pattern baldness genetics. There is no winning combination here. It's just one lottery where everything you draw is a piece of sh*t.

Pics of ur temple that looks worse?
 

Ruby

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Hi Ruby, I have some questions

Does stemoxydine work?
What have you had regrowth with?
Would Oestrogel every few days be too risky for a cis male?

Stemoxydine works a little bit, but you have to use it in cycles, 3 months on / 3 months off. During the off months you may experience shedding of any new grown hairs kinda like stopping minoxidil, but not as badly.

I'd have to say that the lions share of the regrowth I've experienced thus far has been the combination of eliminating my testosterone and DHT via powerful antiandrogens and estradiol plus minoxidil as the hair growth stimulant.

Oestrogel goes systemic almost instantly and you'd certainly risk experiencing some feminizing effects from it.
 

Medina

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Stemoxydine works a little bit, but you have to use it in cycles, 3 months on / 3 months off. During the off months you may experience shedding of any new grown hairs kinda like stopping minoxidil, but not as badly.

I'd have to say that the lions share of the regrowth I've experienced thus far has been the combination of eliminating my testosterone and DHT via powerful antiandrogens and estradiol plus minoxidil as the hair growth stimulant.

Oestrogel goes systemic almost instantly and you'd certainly risk experiencing some feminizing effects from it.

Interesting, thanks. What are the systemic side effects of Oestrogel and could they be permanent or probably reversible? Sorry for the million questions but I don't want to rush into anything I could regret.
 

Ruby

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Interesting, thanks. What are the systemic side effects of Oestrogel and could they be permanent or probably reversible? Sorry for the million questions but I don't want to rush into anything I could regret.

Lower libido and erectile dysfunction, reversible.

Grow boobs, not reversible without mastectomy surgery.

Redistribution of body fat to give you feminine shaped hips, thighs and butt. Probably reversible with diet and exercise.

Gives you emotional ups and downs like a woman. Reversible.

Softens your skin, gives you the "doe eyed" feminine facial appearance, reduces body hair... I'd suspect these are reversible.

Possibly turn you from republican to democrat, Reversability unknown.
 

Medina

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Lower libido and erectile dysfunction, reversible.

Grow boobs, not reversible without mastectomy surgery.

Redistribution of body fat to give you feminine shaped hips, thighs and butt. Probably reversible with diet and exercise.

Gives you emotional ups and downs like a woman. Reversible.

Softens your skin, gives you the "doe eyed" feminine facial appearance, reduces body hair... I'd suspect these are reversible.

Possibly turn you from republican to democrat, Reversability unknown.

That last side effect is just far too risky lmao I'm British but I love Trump LOL. On a serious note, boobs are a no no, and my butt is already quite perky/feminine chicks say. Daaaaamn. It's a question of how badly I want it I guess.
 

Pacey123

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How would the prednisolone in Alpicort be beneficial for male pattern baldness / androgenetic hairloss anyway? When searching for topical corticosteroids for hairloss you mostly find that it's used for women treating alopecia areata.

Mainly due to it's anti inflammatory effects on the scalp. But if you don't have an issue like seb dermatitis it won't help that much.
 

Grasshüpfer

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How could prednisolone be beneficial for hair topically (with some of it without a doubt ending up in your system as well) yet actually cause hair loss internally?

In the short term it's a immune suppressor and decreases inflammation.

Put into very simple terms the inflammation is an autoimmune reaction to dht.
Therefore prednisolone helps.

Now why the immune system is involved and what causes the follicles to drown themselves in dht we don't know.
 

whatevr

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@whatevr wassup man?

what u doing now?

you completely off ru?

Hey brah. No, I use it intermittently. 3 days on, 2 days off kinda thing. My hair loss with this method is very very slow, so I'm not in full blown panic mode at the moment and have time to think about a more solid regimen...

By the end of summer I would like to trial enzalutamide, depending on what others report who get it before me.
 

sunchyme1

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Hey brah. No, I use it intermittently. 3 days on, 2 days off kinda thing. My hair loss with this method is very very slow, so I'm not in full blown panic mode at the moment and have time to think about a more solid regimen...

By the end of summer I would like to trial enzalutamide, depending on what others report who get it before me.

you lower the dosage from last time?

if this on off thing helping you avoid sides?
 

whatevr

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you lower the dosage from last time?

if this on off thing helping you avoid sides?

Still using between 2-3 mL so it's 50-75 mg.

It does, after 3 days of consecutive use the sides build a bit, I lose some libido, get some brain fog and such... then I take 2 days off so that I'm not messed up all the time and take a bit of a break and feel normal for a day or two. It's a compromise for the time being... at least it works better than finasteride did, but it's not gonna be a good long-term solution either I'm afraid.

I'm putting a lot of faith into Enzalutamide being some kind of side-effect-free silver bullet... we'll see how that pans out. Would be kickass if true but we have to wait for more long term user reports.
 

sunchyme1

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Still using between 2-3 mL so it's 50-75 mg.

It does, after 3 days of consecutive use the sides build a bit, I lose some libido, get some brain fog and such... then I take 2 days off so that I'm not messed up all the time and take a bit of a break and feel normal for a day or two. It's a compromise for the time being... at least it works better than finasteride did, but it's not gonna be a good long-term solution either I'm afraid.

I'm putting a lot of faith into Enzalutamide being some kind of side-effect-free silver bullet... we'll see how that pans out. Would be kickass if true but we have to wait for more long term user reports.

mate have you not thought about lowering the dosgaes...doing 10/20mg instead?

i remember reading posts a while ago from guys very knowledgeable about ru on other forums saying 10/20 is more than enough. espec with short hair like you have
 

whatevr

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mate have you not thought about lowering the dosgaes...doing 10/20mg instead?

i remember reading posts a while ago from guys very knowledgeable about ru on other forums saying 10/20 is more than enough. espec with short hair like you have

I've thought about, just worried that the effectiveness will drop down as well. I suppose I'll try making my next batch at a lower %.
 

WMQ

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Still using between 2-3 mL so it's 50-75 mg.
I'm putting a lot of faith into Enzalutamide being some kind of side-effect-free silver bullet...
You don't really think that could happen, do you?
 

whatevr

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You don't really think that could happen, do you?

I never would've even thought about this compound being viable had I not read the BTT account of the guy who regrew NW4->NW2 all the while saying 'no side effects', and now we have a user here on the forum who is testing it (even dissolved in DMSO which should make it go systemic several times more) who also said very little or no side effects at all, while eliminating his itch and reducing shedding...

It doesn't line up with the theory of what you would expect from using a very strong anti-androgen, so either it is not going systemic anywhere near as much as we'd think, or something else is going on... We are just waiting for long term reports from the testers at this point. The more people that try it, the more we will know. I'm having issues obtaining it personally.
 

Grasshüpfer

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It's very expensive, but cb0301 might be what you need, maybe together with ru.

It has no side effects and is almost as strong as ru.

I'm on 2-3ml of 5% ru in addition to finasteride and the ru def helps a lot. I now have a tiny little regrowth I guess and I'm maintaining.

I'm at the verge of what my body can tolerate before getting sexual sides though. Libido is lower than before.

I will now observe and add minoxidil and eventually try to dose down finasteride, because of the looming threat it poses to my dick lol.
 
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