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What you think about flaxseeds for estrogen it provides 700% more estrogen than any other food... here is the study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2752973/

A significant decrease in androgen levels was observed, with a 70% decrease in total serum testosterone, an 89% decrease in free serum testosterone, and a 65% decrease in the % free testosterone observed.

I also saw something about a man who ate everyday for months or years and he grew breast so if thats true it does the job of giving estrogen which is better than creams and stuff. https://www.nuhs.edu/christian/2011/3/1/testosterone-and-flax-a-male-nightmare/ I think maybe some may help if it doesnt grow boobs.

Do we have people actually putting this to the test and seeing if it truly diminishes androgens, or it's only on paper?
 

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If any of that is true I'm staying the hell away. If anything I'd like to increase my test by at least 50%. I don't care too much for systemic androgen reduction, I already feel trash enough, no thanks.

Now, if you could make that a topical and have it work ONLY in the scalp, maybe we can talk. Either way, I wouldn't bet my hair on it for the time being.

Anyway, I want to make some observations after 1 month of using RU58841 (in my case, doesn't mean everyone will experience the following):

  • A certain amount of the substance goes systemic no matter what, the greater the dose, the more goes systemic
  • It seems to cross the blood-brain barrier judging by side effects such as decreased mental clarity and greater anxiety
  • RU58841 seems to occupy androgen receptors for a duration between 36-48 hours based on the time it takes for aforementioned side effects to completely disappear
  • Stopping use for 48 hours results in a complete disappearance of side effects and you are back to normal within 2 days
  • The Ethanol/PG 7:3 vehicle takes around 4-5 hours to dry out, if applying overnight perhaps the vehicle could be modified to lengthen the absorption period and possibly decrease side effects (a different ratio for example)
  • Other noted side effects: increase in nipple puffiness, reduced libido and energy
  • Side effects seem to accumulate with consecutive days of use so a 5 days ON / 2 days OFF approach seems prudent
 
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If any of that is true I'm staying the hell away. If anything I'd like to increase my test by at least 50%. I don't care too much for systemic androgen reduction, I already feel trash enough, no thanks.

Now, if you could make that a topical and have it work ONLY in the scalp, maybe we can talk. Either way, I wouldn't bet my hair on it for the time being.

Anyway, I want to make some observations after 1 month of using RU58841 (in my case, doesn't mean everyone will experience the following):

  • A certain amount of the substance goes systemic no matter what, the greater the dose, the more goes systemic
  • It seems to cross the blood-brain barrier judging by side effects such as decreased mental clarity and greater anxiety
  • RU58841 seems to occupy androgen receptors for a duration between 36-48 hours based on the time it takes for aforementioned side effects to completely disappear
  • Stopping use for 48 hours results in a complete disappearance of side effects and you are back to normal within 2 days
  • The Ethanol/PG 7:3 vehicle takes around 4-5 hours to dry out, if applying overnight perhaps the vehicle could be modified to lengthen the absorption period and possibly decrease side effects (a different ratio for example)
  • Other noted side effects: increase in nipple puffiness, reduced libido and energy
  • Side effects seem to accumulate with consecutive days of use so a 5 days ON / 2 days OFF approach seems prudent

i was just gonna ask to see how things are going until i saw this

sounds f*****g depressing. pretty sure after my experience with finasteride, i would experience exactly the same as you

and like you i already feel sh*t in general, which finasteride only exacerbated. i wana go the other way and feel good. i would love to do a cycle of test/dht drugs to see how it feels to feel great. but doing that would really put the final nail in the coffin for my hair

you just have to laugh at this problem were facing. literally everything that is good for hair is bad for everything else. but not all hair, no. not the f*****g the hair on chest, or arms or legs and beard or whatever. the only f*****g hair negatively effected by the things that makes us feel good, the things that make us a man, is the hair on top of our f*****g heads. the only hair we give a f*** about it.

just lol at this bullshit
 

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i was just gonna ask to see how things are going until i saw this

sounds f*****g depressing. pretty sure after my experience with finasteride, i would experience exactly the same as you

and like you i already feel sh*t in general, which finasteride only exacerbated. i wana go the other way and feel good. i would love to do a cycle of test/dht drugs to see how it feels to feel great. but doing that would really put the final nail in the coffin for my hair

you just have to laugh at this problem were facing. literally everything that is good for hair is bad for everything else. but not all hair, no. not the f*****g the hair on chest, or arms or legs and beard or whatever. the only f*****g hair negatively effected by the things that makes us feel good, the things that make us a man, is the hair on top of our f*****g heads. the only hair we give a f*** about it.

just lol at this bullshit

Exactly motherfucking this. When I stay off of all anti-androgens, my libido returns to semi-normal, I get my good mood and positivity back, "mental energy" so to speak, everything becomes more uplifting and interesting.

On AA's I feel castrated, stupid, tired. How am I supposed to approach women knowing I have a limp noodle between my legs.

Like right now if I was not an male pattern baldness sufferer, to cure myself I would be taking exemestane + pregnenolone + DHEA + 7-keto and f*** knows what else... I would be BATHING in androgens - the more androgenic I get the better I feel, yet my hair requires exactly the complete opposite, it's an absolute fuckfest.

I did a short cycle of pregnenolone + letrozole which made it all convert into androgens and for the first time in 5 years when I went out I felt like running. I was sprinting through town like an imbecile just had this boundless energy and my legs felt like feathers, instead of lead bags like normally do (since they're probably full of estrogen water retention). Then my temples receeded like a whole norwood due to the nuked estrogen LOL, thankfully it came back over 2 months

How about looking forward to those non-hormonal treatments, setipiprant and fevipiprant you say? WRONG motherfucker - they have sleep side effects. Say hello to waking up tired and with bags under your eyes like you're 10 years older. That's if they even work and if they even come to market cause the dose required is so high no one can afford it right now.

I met this 19 year old hottie the other day, she seemed interested. I'm 25. How the f*** am I gonna drag her into this abyss of a life that I lead?

f*** male pattern baaaaaldness b****s. Kill it with fire.
 

SpaceInvader

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Targeted Drug Delivery.

It's already being used. I haven't found anything on Androgenetic Alopecia.
 

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I would be curious to see if a man who's prone to AA sides and likely hypogonadal would see improvements in sides after he cuts his body fat to below 10%, and gains 30 lbs of lean mass. And ultimately how that would influence his hair, drug tolerability taken into account.
 

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Exactly motherfucking this. When I stay off of all anti-androgens, my libido returns to semi-normal, I get my good mood and positivity back, "mental energy" so to speak, everything becomes more uplifting and interesting.

On AA's I feel castrated, stupid, tired. How am I supposed to approach women knowing I have a limp noodle between my legs.

Like right now if I was not an male pattern baldness sufferer, to cure myself I would be taking exemestane + pregnenolone + DHEA + 7-keto and f*** knows what else... I would be BATHING in androgens - the more androgenic I get the better I feel, yet my hair requires exactly the complete opposite, it's an absolute fuckfest.

I did a short cycle of pregnenolone + letrozole which made it all convert into androgens and for the first time in 5 years when I went out I felt like running. I was sprinting through town like an imbecile just had this boundless energy and my legs felt like feathers, instead of lead bags like normally do (since they're probably full of estrogen water retention). Then my temples receeded like a whole norwood due to the nuked estrogen LOL, thankfully it came back over 2 months

How about looking forward to those non-hormonal treatments, setipiprant and fevipiprant you say? WRONG motherfucker - they have sleep side effects. Say hello to waking up tired and with bags under your eyes like you're 10 years older. That's if they even work and if they even come to market cause the dose required is so high no one can afford it right now.

I met this 19 year old hottie the other day, she seemed interested. I'm 25. How the f*** am I gonna drag her into this abyss of a life that I lead?

f*** male pattern baaaaaldness b****s. Kill it with fire.

it really is laughable.

when i give up the fight, the first thing i will be doing is what you just said. i will drown myself in f*****g androgens.

ive gone through times where for whatever reason physically and mentally ive felt great and you cant beat it. you really cant.

having experienced all the sh*t i got from finasteride, and reading about guys recoveries on swolesource you can feel what its like to be alpha. to feel great in every way.

ive been watching a bunch a jason statham vids to try and convince myself there is a way out. i mean check this out. the guy is nearly 50 years old. he looks great. imagining feeling like this


not this pathetic state we put ourselves in to save this sh*t that grows out our heads.

regarding the hot chick, go for it mate. youd be f*****g nuts to let these opportunities go. if you ever cant handle the drugs anymore or your hair gets worse regardless, the days of hot 19 yr olds will be over.

have you played around with the dosage? 50mg is abit on the high side for what seems to be recommend these days. especially used on buzz cut like yourself.
 

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I would be curious to see if a man who's prone to AA sides and likely hypogonadal would see improvements in sides after he cuts his body fat to below 10%, and gains 30 lbs of lean mass. And ultimately how that would influence his hair, drug tolerability taken into account.

i am a naturally weak *** skinny joke of a man. maybe this contributed to my awful experience on finasteride, i do however have extremely high natural levels of test. whatever that means.

however, i have to spoke to a few guys on swolesource who have all said they were extremely fit healthy muscled guys before taking finasteride, and still got fucked by them. but maybe not as bad if they werent in great shape to begin with, who knows.

all i know is that it made me a weak pathetic fucked up version of what a man is meant to feel like. though it was bloody fantastic for my hair. no doubt about that.
 
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i am a naturally weak *** skinny joke of a man. maybe this contributed to my awful experience on finasteride, i do however have extremely high natural levels of test. whatever that means.

however, i have to spoke to a few guys on swolesource who have all said they were extremely fit healthy muscled guys before taking finasteride, and still got fucked by them. but maybe not as bad if they werent in great shape to begin with, who knows.

all i know is that it made me a weak pathetic fucked up version of what a man is meant to feel like. though it was bloody fantastic for my hair. no doubt about that.
It's all in your head you don't feel alpha cause you're f*****g bald and havent fucked a woman since I dont know when, also you're depressed about the hair. I have finasteride sides now and it was way worse when I was depressed because of hair.
 

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It's all in your head you don't feel alpha cause you're f*****g bald and havent fucked a woman since I dont know when, also you're depressed about the hair. I have finasteride sides now and it was way worse when I was depressed because of hair.

ive never felt alpha in my life. its has nothing to do with my hair. when i was a full head i was still an insecure teenager.

alpha is about confidence and strength and all that sh*t. all the good stuff a man should feel regardless of hair or not. taking finasteride made this sh*t even worse for me. i felt pathetic. no way to live. depressed, puffy nipples, energy of a 90 years man lol. yeahhhh here i am ladies. being a balding badass, if your handsome enough to get away with it, is only real option i got left. im sick of all this hormone f*****g, insecure bullshit. its tiring.

lol last time i hooked up with a girl was last week on holiday. but she was nothing special. nothing to be proud about. but for a rapidly approaching norwood 5 guy ill take it :D

you got finasteride sides? what are they? does your dick still work?
 

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you got finasteride sides? what are they? does your dick still work?
Prob still does I just have tiredness and reduced libido. I dont care about feeling alpha never did always fought it off and replaced it with angry discipline.
 

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Prepare for worst cope for the best

xD....
 

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Rick who?

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famous rick. how the f*** have you not heard of this guy?

anyway mate, talking about androgens and sh*t, i know you know your stuff about all this. how do i increase my beard growth? i have relatively decent beard density at 30 but to pull off baldness i need jason stathm level sh*t.

does all that pro androgens stuff help with speeding up beard density/growth?
 
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