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Yar

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Thanks for the response, it's the first time hearing hspg's role in hairloss, I guess an underlooked aspect of it.
Also, just ignore the trolls, it's a new account so it's obviously just someone trying to mess with you (probably someone who already lurks/posts here)
Я проведу эксперемент ,буду пользоваться Андрогель и за это время у меня не будет в моем рационе сладкого,алкоголя,кофеина.Эксперемент будет длиться 30 дней.
 

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Yar ignore these clowns, they use goat language because they don't know how to speak humanly. When a dog barks at you, you don't kneel down and bark back. Right?
 
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Я проведу эксперемент ,буду пользоваться Андрогель и за это время у меня не будет в моем рационе сладкого,алкоголя,кофеина.Эксперемент будет длиться 30 дней.
I look forward to hearing the results.
 

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Я проведу эксперемент ,буду пользоваться Андрогель и за это время у меня не будет в моем рационе сладкого,алкоголя,кофеина.Эксперемент будет длиться 30 дней.
As far as I remember you tried androgel some time ago. Why do you want to try it again?
 

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Насколько я помню, вы когда-то пробовали андрогель. Почему ты хочешь попробовать еще раз?
Эксперемент был не правильным,я не менял схему питания
 

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Эксперемент был не правильным,я не менял схему питания
I mean androgel increases Testosteron level, (as far as I know). Why do you want to try it for hair? Thanks!
 

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Я имею в виду, что андрогель повышает уровень тестостерона (насколько я знаю). Почему вы хотите попробовать его для волос? Спасибо!
Потому что в облысении не тестостерон виноват а его снижение,снижение тестостерона автоматически это снижение эстрадиола в крови и облысение.Не тостостерон виновен в облысении а его снижение у мужчин в 21 веке с большим колличеством в продаже рафинированных продуктов питания
 

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Привет! Я считаю, что этот опыт обречен на провал. Если диагноз - андрогенетическая алопеция, увеличение тестостерона ускоряет скорость алопеции. И если вы нанесете его на голову, будет быстрое связывание с 5AP = DHT и прощание с волосами.
У мужчин по всему миру повальное не увиличение тестостерона а его снижение вследствии употребления в пищу продуктов рафинированныхТестостерон не поднялся а опустился.Продукты с высокими индексами сахара приводят к снижению тст.Помимо этого алкоголь и сигареты увеличивую действие 5а редуктазы
 

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I used to take androgenic steroids which started my alopecia. That's why I know for a fact that any way to increase androgens (if you are prone to baldness) will ruin your hair.
 

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I think it's an extremely stupid idea to use androgens after successfully using estrogen to regrow hair. It's like self sabotage, not to insult you @Yar or anything but frankly speaking it's a retarded idea. And you want to do it just to prove some stupid pseudo scientific idea of modern diet lowering testosterone. Just stay on the well researched route of keeping your androgens low if you want to keep your hair.

@Pls_NW-1 is right, it's better to wax your head then proceed with this experiment lol.
 
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Yar

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Раньше я принимала андрогенные стероиды, от которых у меня началось облысение. Вот почему я точно знаю, что любой способ увеличить количество андрогенов (если вы склонны к облысению) испортит ваши волосы.
Избыток андрогенов как и недостаток вредит,важен баланс между гестагенами,андрогенами,эстрогенами.Важен баланс между всеми гормональными группами.
 

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Избыток андрогенов как и недостаток вредит,важен баланс между гестагенами,андрогенами,эстрогенами.Важен баланс между всеми гормональными группами.
What are you talking about lol? You either have Estrogen or Androgen dominance, you can't have both hormones high. A high level of Estrogen will simply lower Androgens.

The point of your experiment is really beyond me, you either run your body on Estrogen or Testosterone, choose one and stick to it. And if you value your hair we all know which is best.
 

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What are you talking about lol? You either have Estrogen or Androgen dominance, you can't have both hormones high. A high level of Estrogen will simply lower Androgens.

The point of your experiment is really beyond me, you either run your body on Estrogen or Testosterone, choose one and stick to it. And if you value your hair we all know which is best.
This is simply not true. You can definitely be above both reference ranges. This is why bodybuilders on steroids are obviously masculine but can still experience feminizing side effects like gyno and water retention.
 

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Yes, one has to dominate for long term homeostasis, that much is true. However, even naturally some can be above both reference ranges. For example BlueCyclone is above both, and he has some of the best hair on this forum.
 

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Now as far as Yar’s experiment, I personally would not do that. Not unless he was using an androgen that is weaker than testosterone, like a SARM or AAS since they are less androgenic than the androgens you produce endogenously, and could prevent T and DHT from binding to AR. There is a thread on this particular topic and some have had hair gains from taking such compounds orally. I can’t imagine using testosterone and expecting hair to grow though.
 

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Yes, one has to dominate for long term homeostasis, that much is true. However, even naturally some can be above both reference ranges. For example BlueCyclone is above both, and he has some of the best hair on this forum.
That's what I meant, long term, maybe my wording was too vague. Of course there are roiders and natural outliers like the person you mentioned, but from what I understand reading Yar's theories, he advocates for artificially keeping both hormones high, and also to prove an absurd theory. This will not be healthy fo hair.

I consider his experiment an example of monumental stupidity, and I'm trying to help him not loose his hair.
 

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That's what I meant, long term, maybe my wording was too vague. Of course there are roiders and natural outliers like the person you mentioned, but from what I understand reading Yar's theories, he advocates for artificially keeping both hormones high, and also to prove an absurd theory. This will not be healthy fo hair.

I consider his experiment an example of monumental stupidity, and I'm trying to help him not loose his hair.
Well, the theory of keeping both on the high end of the reference range isn't such a terrible idea, though it could prove to be difficult to realize depending on just how high you are trying to go, because as you said T and E will have a negative feedback loop at a high enough dosage. But if you could raise them without inducing negative feedback you could possibly see some gains. Depends on the individual. His implementation of putting test on his scalp though? Obviously I think he needs to re-evaluate how to apply the theory in a better way. If he does that, he's obviously going to skew his androgen/estrogen ratio towards androgens, and yes that is not generally good when you're just adding exogenous test which isn't going to aromatize very much.
 

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Now as far as Yar’s experiment, I personally would not do that. Not unless he was using an androgen that is weaker than testosterone, like a SARM or AAS since they are less androgenic than the androgens you produce endogenously, and could prevent T and DHT from binding to AR. There is a thread on this particular topic and some have had hair gains from taking such compounds orally. I can’t imagine using testosterone and expecting hair to grow though.
I guess nandrolone or oxandrolone would make sense but testosterone is just idiotic...
 
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