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Isoprenoid-substituted phenols of G. inflataG.

inflata is the main species in Xinjiang licorice on Japanese market. In our morphological study of
the licorice, it consisted of G. inflata (51 %), G. eurycarpa (8 %), G. uralensis (3 %), and some unidentified
licorice (38 %)
. About 40 kinds of flavonoids have been isolated from G. inflata. Among them,
20 are isoprenoid-substituted flavonoids.
http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2 ... 7x1199.pdf

Yeah, we need the Inflata with the unidentified licorice

Let's hope Mr Yu Hu answers your e-mails Squeegee :)


Hhaahah lol I know Mr Yu Hu phone # didn't work...But sent e-mails to everyone on that contact us page! FTW!
 

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CCS! Yuber, Jesus!or Everyone..Need your help to clarified the differences between the 2 species.. Link! http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... tid=127195

Got everything on here! Please help me!

http://www.kobe-ipc.or.jp/EDB/CGI-SHL/E ... AI.EXE?995 Inflata Manufacturer and Importer because everything is Feng-Shui on their web page!lol



Some antimicrobial flavonoids from the licorice species G. uralensis (9), G. glabra (3, 5, 13, 15, 18), and G. inflata (8, 18) were reported previously. The content of licochalcone A in G. inflata was the highest (ca. 0.8%) in these three licorice species (19) That is the big difference between the 2 so far.
 

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Three of the six Glycyrrhiza species
G. glabra,
G. uralensis
G. inflata
produce glycyrrhizin as a major saponin

While the others
G. echinata
G. macedonica
G. pallida
produce macedonoside C as a major saponin

3 types that are closely related
G. uralensis. (Closely related to G. Inflata) http://www.researchandmarkets.com/reports/472269
G. inflata. found in xinjiang
G. eurycarpa. This licorice grows in northwest China and has been called yellow licorice. Previously, this plant had
been assigned as G. korshinskyi. Recently, this licorice was recognized as a naturally occurring hybrid between G. uralensis and G. inflate.

G. Inflata main isoprenoid-substituted flavonoid is licochalcone A
G. Uralensis main isoprenoid-substituted flavonoids of the
plant are isoflavans with two prenyl groups, licoricidin, and licorisoflavan A
G. Eurycarpa main isoprenoid-substituted phenol is licochalcone A as in
G. inflata

Source: http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2 ... 7x1199.pdf

Wish I knew why the Inflata is the one that's prefered to be used in medicine. And why is is so hard to get hold on. Because of all the 30 species G. glabra, G. uralensis, G. inflata, G. aspera, G. korshinskyi, and G. eurycarpa are the ones called licorise, they are the ones with sweet taste.

Licochalcone A (LicA), a major phenolic constituent of the licorice species Glycyrrhiza inflata, has recently been reported to have anti-inflammatory as well as anti-microbial effects. LicA, an estrogenic flavonoid with anti-tumor and antiparasitic properties. Shown to reduce Bcl-2 protein expression and induce apoptosis in several human cancer cell lines.

LicA sounds good. Inflata was the one with highest consentration of this right.
Do we know what compund that had the DHT lowering abilities?
 

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I'm reading the study now. Sorry I did not see this sooner.

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I'm reading a different study someone posted.
http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/2 ... 7x1199.pdf
The strongest estrogenic compound comes from a different licorice species. But 6th on the list is a compound from Glabra. I don't see any from Inflata. Strange. I just hope these extracts we are getting are not just water soluble extracts, since the phenols might not be water soluble. They do have hydroxyl groups on them though, so they should be more soluble that steroids.
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I just read further. These are soluble. And they also act like emulsifiers.



Isoprenoid-substituted phenols of G. inflata
G. inflata is the main species in Xinjiang licorice on Japanese market. In our morphological study of
the licorice, it consisted of G. inflata (51 %), G. eurycarpa (8 %), G. uralensis (3 %), and some unidentified
licorice (38 %). About 40 kinds of flavonoids have been isolated from G. inflata. Among them,
20 are isoprenoid-substituted flavonoids. The main isoprenoid-substituted flavonoid is licochalcone A
(16). For this type of chalcone (e.g., 16, 17, etc., Fig. 3), the name “reversely constructed chalconeâ€￾ or
“retrochalconeâ€￾ is frequently used*. The 5-position of most flavonoids of the plant, 2?- and 6?-positions
of chalcones, is unsubstituted. Eight isoprenoid-substituted dibenzoylmethanes, i.e., glyinflanin A
(18)–F, glycyrdione B, and 5?-prenyllicodione, were also isolated from the root of the plant as minor
compounds. The 1H- and 13C-NMR spectra of these compounds are observed as an equilibrium mixture
of tautomeric dibenzoylmethanes and ?-hydroxychalcones in the solution (18a and 18b, Fig. 3). In
the solid state, these compounds may exist in the dibenzoylmethane form, because the ratio of two tautomers
depends upon concentration of solution. Dibenzoylmethanes are well known in flavonoids
chemistry as intermediates in flavone syntheses or in the isomerization “Wessely–Moser rearrangementâ€￾**.
Glyinflanin A (18) was converted to 4?,7-dihydroxy-3?,6-diprenylflavone (prenyllicoflavone
A) by heating in dry benzene.



Isoprenoid-substituted phenols of G. glabra
Three varieties of the species have been reported; Spanish licorice and Italian licorice are assigned to
G. glabra var. typica, Russian licorice is G. glabra var. glandulifera, and Persian and Turkish licorices
are G. glabra var. violacea. About 90 kinds of phenolic compounds have been isolated from the plants.
About 50 of them are substituted with isoprenoid group(s), e.g., 3-methyl-2-butenyl (prenyl) group,
2,2-dimethylpyran ring, etc. These G. glabra could be classified into two groups with the constituents
of isoprenoid-substituted flavonoids. Type I licorice is Spanish and Russian licorices. The main isoprenoid-
substituted flavonoid of the plants is a pyranoisoflavan, glabridin (1). The 5-position of most
flavonoids from the type I plants is unsubstituted, e.g., 1, glabrene (2), glabrol (3), 3-hydroxyglabrol
(4), etc. (Fig. 1). Type II licorice is Chinese and Kyrghiz G. glabra. From these plants, both 5-unsubstituted
flavonoids (e.g., 2) and 5-oxygenated flavonoids (e.g., 3?,8-diprenylated dalbergioidin, 5), have
been isolated. Nevertheless, most flavonoids from these plants are 5-hydroxy- or 5-methoxy-flavonoids.
The main isoprenoid-substituted flavonoid of the Kirghiz licorice is compound 5, but the isoflavan (1)
has not been isolated [4].
 

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The compounds they chose to highlight looked different from each other.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2605703
The organic extracts of two licorices, known in commerce as Russian and Xinjiang licorices, exhibited potent antimicrobial and antioxidant activity. The bioassay-directed chemical investigation of both licorices revealed glabrene, glabridin, and licochalcones A and B as active principles.

PMID: 2605703 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 

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Some antimicrobial flavonoids from the licorice species G. uralensis (9), G. glabra (3, 5, 13, 15, 18), and G. inflata (8, 18) were reported previously. The content of licochalcone A in G. inflata was the highest (ca. 0.8%) in these three licorice species (19)

So it is in all three of them. It is mostly investigated as an anti-microbial. Is it even an anti-androgen?
 

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Summary of the paper squeegee wanted me to read:

licorice has uses (none listed relate to us).
three species of licorice have that compound we are wondering about. Inflata. This compound is an anti-microbial. It does not say how much is there. It is just a study on that one compound's anti-microbial effects. Little use to us.


Summary of the other paper that was posted:
There are lots of licorice species. Only 4 have that sweetener. They also have other compounds that differ in amounts. It only looks at estrogenic effects and anti-microbial activity. Compounds are listed in order of estrogenic strength. Inflata is not even on the list. Glabra is 6th on the list. The third licorice species has the strongest estrogenic compound. Makes me wonder if I should try to get it.


We still need a study showing the anti-androgenic chemicals of the different species. So far we just have that sweetener.
 

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HOLY!!!YOU GUY ARE HARD KICK SOME *** WORKERS!!! I have to read everything!!Just login in! SO much sh*t!


Glycyrrhiza inflata Batalin (Licorice) Root Extract


Licorice extract containing licochalcone-A, from the roots of the plant Glycyrrhiza inflata Batalin, has inhibitory actions of testosterone 5-alpha-reductase, lipase and phospholipase A2, as well as androgen receptor antagonist which reduce sebum output. It also acts as an antimicrobial with proven action against P. acnes bacteria while also being a Super Oxide Dismutase antioxidant and an anti-inflammatory.

Abstract: In the course of our studies on the further application of licorice as a cosmetic ingredient, we studied a new dermatological availability in the licorice extract containing licochalcone-A as a main principle, Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U, prepared from the roots of Glycyrrhiza inflata Batalin. As a result, this extract showed several activities such as inhibitory actions of testosterone 5 ALPHA-reductase, lipase and phospholipase A2, as well as androgen receptor antagonist, antimicrobial and SOD-like antioxidant actions, which relate to skin care, especially the suppression of acne formation and development. On basis of this evidence, a trial of Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U with acne patients was carried out and the efficacy was demonstrated clinically.

:dunno: from http://www.bioskinclear.com/ingredients/ website...
 

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We can get the Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U from there : http://www.jandekker.com/content/view/83/88/


Abstract;Potential activity of herbal extracts on sebum secretion was studied. Among the herbal extracts tested, polyol-soluble licorice extract P-U (product name) derived from Glycyrrhiza inflata showed the most potent testosterone 5 .ALPHA.-reductase inhibition, androgen receptor binding inhibition and antimicrobial activities, which are closely related to sebum secretion. In addition to the findings on polyol-soluble licorice extract P-U, clove extract and peppermint extract showed testosterone 5 .ALPHA.-reductase inhibition, arnica extract and rose fruit extract showed androgen receptor binding inhibition, alpinia speciosa root extract and scutellaria root extract showed estrogen receptor agonists, and sophora root extract showed antimicrobial activity. (author abst.)


END OF THE STORY!! What do you guys think????????????????????
Fred!!

The alcoholic extract is particularly preferred due to its effectiveness. Such extracts are obtainable, for example, under the names "Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U" or "Aqua Licorice Extract P-U" from Maruzen Pharmaceuticals.
http://www.maruzenpcy.co.jp/english/pro ... _0001.html YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
 

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Inflata has also highest containment of Lic(A)
Licochalcone A in licorise reduce BCL-2 proteins.

Bcl-2 protein is:A gene that encodes an integral outer mitochondrial membrane protein that blocks the apoptotic death of some cells such as lymphocytes. Constitutive expression of BCL2, such as in the case of translocation of BCL2 to Ig heavy chain locus, is thought to be the cause of follicular lymphoma. Two transcript variants, produced by alternate splicing, differ in their C-terminal ends.
The Bcl-2 gene has been implicated in a number of cancers, including melanoma, breast, prostate, and lung carcinomas, as well as schizophrenia and autoimmunity. It is also thought to be involved in resistance to conventional cancer treatment. This supports a role for decreased apoptosis in the pathogenesis of cancer.

I found a post where someone claimed that frontal hairs from the balding scalp are struggling for their lives and have upregulated Bcl-2 about 50% in an attempt to do so. This upregulation might account for some or all of the lower growth cycles we see in these follicles. It also means that pathways to keep them alive via Bcl-2 are likely to keep more follicles alive but dormant - or at the very least limit the effectiveness of antiinflammatory treatments which happen to have this effect on Bcl-2.

Copied from: http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about37567.html
In androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia) terminal hair follicles undergo
transformation to vellus hair type with miniaturisation of the dermal
papilla (DP). Pathogenetic mechanisms in Androgenetic Alopecia are not yet fully
understood, however, it is generally agreed that androgens, especially 5
-dihydrotestosterone (5 -DHT), inhibit hair follicle activity with
shortening of the anagen and early induction of the catagen phase. In
the present study we investigated the ability of potent androgens, i.e.
testosterone (T) and 5 -DHT to induce apoptosis in the
mesenchyme-derived DP, possibly leading to early catagen induction in
Androgenetic Alopecia. It is well known, that the DP is protected against apoptosis under
physiological conditions, possibly due to overexpression of the
anti-apoptotic protein bcl-2. Thus, we investigated the influence of
testosterone and 5 -DHT on proliferation, apoptotic and necrotic cell
death in cultured human scalp dermal papilla cells (DPC). The influence
of T and 5 -DHT at 10 -7 M to 10 -5 M on the proliferative activity of
DPC after 24h and 48h was evaluated by MTT assay. Induction of apoptosis
by T and 5 -DHT at 10 -5 M to 10 -7 M after 4 h, 24 h and 48 h was
measured by NA fragmentation using a cell death detection ELISA plus .
Necrosis of 5 -DHT and T on DPC was measured by lactate dehydrogenase
activity. Furthermore, the expression of bcl-2 resp. bax at the mRNA and
protein level was detected in T/5 -DHT-treated DPC by reverse
transcription polymerase chain reaction and confirmed by Western blot. T
and 5 -DHT induced apoptosis in DPC in a dose-dependent and time-related
manner, with a necrotic effect induced by T at 10 -5 M. In addition, T
and 5 -DHT inhibited proliferation of DPC at 10 -5 M. Interestingly, the
decrease of bcl-2 protein expression in T and 5 -DHT treated cells
correlated with the increase of the bax protein level. The present study
provides a new interesting approach in understanding possible
pathomechanism in androgenetic alopecia."


Take a look at this article one time. More about Bcl-2 that Lic(A) blocks, and a lot of other potensial 5a reducers.
http://erc.endocrinology-journals.org/c ... 751?ck=nck


BTW. Synthetic Lic(A) is fairly expensive. $235 for 50mg :crazy:
http://www.biocompare.com/itemdetails.asp?itemid=31822
 

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Why we are not getting the Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U instead of the f*****g pain in the *** plant??? We know that the Poly Solu got all the good sh*t that we want without the smell??????Makes senses to me... :dunno:

We can get the Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U from there : http://www.jandekker.com/content/view/83/88/


Abstract;Potential activity of herbal extracts on sebum secretion was studied. Among the herbal extracts tested, polyol-soluble licorice extract P-U (product name) derived from Glycyrrhiza inflata showed the most potent testosterone 5 .ALPHA.-reductase inhibition, androgen receptor binding inhibition and antimicrobial activities, which are closely related to sebum secretion. In addition to the findings on polyol-soluble licorice extract P-U, clove extract and peppermint extract showed testosterone 5 .ALPHA.-reductase inhibition, arnica extract and rose fruit extract showed androgen receptor binding inhibition, alpinia speciosa root extract and scutellaria root extract showed estrogen receptor agonists, and sophora root extract showed antimicrobial activity. (author abst.)


END OF THE STORY!! What do you guys think????????????????????
Fred!!

The alcoholic extract is particularly preferred due to its effectiveness. Such extracts are obtainable, for example, under the names "Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U" or "Aqua Licorice Extract P-U" from Maruzen Pharmaceuticals.
http://www.maruzenpcy.co.jp/english/index_e.html YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
 

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We should go with the POLY, they did all the studies with this one! Easy to get! Easy to make a topical from it or mix with shampoos and conditioner. Doesn't smell and probably white color and got all the ingredients that we need to kill the Norwood!

Go straight with the good sh*t! The Poly is from the Inflata species..

Fred!

What do you think YUBER?? Where CCS @??? Need his 2 cents too??
 

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squeegee said:
We should go with the POLY, they did all the studies with this one! Easy to get!

Easy to get? You found it?
 

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Why we are not getting the Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U instead of the f****ing pain in the *** plant??? We know that the Poly Solu got all the good $#iT that we want without the smell??????Makes senses to me... :dunno:

We can get the Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U from there : http://www.jandekker.com/content/view/83/88/


Abstract;Potential activity of herbal extracts on sebum secretion was studied. Among the herbal extracts tested, polyol-soluble licorice extract P-U (product name) derived from Glycyrrhiza inflata showed the most potent testosterone 5 .ALPHA.-reductase inhibition, androgen receptor binding inhibition and antimicrobial activities, which are closely related to sebum secretion. In addition to the findings on polyol-soluble licorice extract P-U, clove extract and peppermint extract showed testosterone 5 .ALPHA.-reductase inhibition, arnica extract and rose fruit extract showed androgen receptor binding inhibition, alpinia speciosa root extract and scutellaria root extract showed estrogen receptor agonists, and sophora root extract showed antimicrobial activity. (author abst.)


END OF THE STORY!! What do you guys think????????????????????
Fred!!

The alcoholic extract is particularly preferred due to its effectiveness. Such extracts are obtainable, for example, under the names "Polyol Soluble Licorice Extract P-U" or "Aqua Licorice Extract P-U" from Maruzen Pharmaceuticals.
http://www.maruzenpcy.co.jp/english/index_e.html YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
 

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Yuber said:
I agree.

Is polyol prefered over aqua?

since aqua was not tested, we don't know. But some of those compounds work like emulsifiers, so I suspect even some of the non-water soluble stuff gets extracted in water. They might be similar for that reason.
 

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