Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

kiwi666

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People, please try to keep this thread clean.
It is difficult to go through all the posts, which have no relation to the topic at all.
Thank you.

Please, also keep in mind that new users that come and think about trying microneedling might see these trolling posts, not figure it out, and just leave, having no idea that it could have worked for them, actually.

Which is exactly why if @Admin doesnt ban them we should assist them to go awar
not even trolling you piece of sh*t.

it's funny that i included a link in the first message. no one wants to discuss that, instead i get insults from immature fucktards with no formal education.

seriously, you guys have no idea what science is.

Get lost ya big cry baby.

You posted a link to a person who we KNOW. Who we have run through the gauntlet. Who has shared videos. Who many of us have talked to.

We don’t need to answer your one off cry baby bullshit.

If you’re not prepared to needle (or balls off) or read the faking entire thread (like an educated person) please f*** off.
 

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There seems to be a trend here, as soon as we get good news and the level of positivity rises trolls appear and start derailing the thread.

On-Topic.
Did session number 11 today, i started december 3.
I can now with certainty say that needling does something. My hairline is similar to the profil pic as i've mentioned before and i needle both my existing hair and all the slick bald areas where i used to have hair before my temples receded. The tiny blond hairs that i couldn't see at all before are starting to be visible over the entire area of my pre-puberty hairline. Still very small but they get progressively longer the closer to my current hairline i get. Can't quite catch it with my camera yet because the picture quality is not good enough with my phone.
I've been on minoxidil + finasteride for years and then dutasteride for a year without any results on the bald area so this is new. I quit everything except for minoxidil months before i started needling so any regrowth i get is going to be from that
how aggressive is your hairloss if you don't mind me asking?
 

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Did my first session tonight with derminator at 1.5mm and medium speed. I’d been holding off for two months because the shedding comments spooked me. I decided to jump in because my hairline and especially my forelock continues to rapidly thin even after 8 months on finas (which only seems to have sped up my hair loss). I needled the hairline, forelock and temples. I didn’t bleed a lot, just a few specs here and there. I didn’t find it the least bit painful and I was pressing as hard as I could. I feel like I could do 2mm no problem. What is the consensus with minoxidil? Wait a few hours?
 

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Well - I updated my 2 month update post from yesterday with a photo from the same bathroom lighting now that I'm back from my travels. Definitely see my crown is closing in a little. Wasn't an illusion of the hotel's lighting. Hopefully this continues.

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kiwi666

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Well - I updated my 2 month update post from yesterday with a photo from the same bathroom lighting now that I'm back from my travels. Definitely see my crown is closing in a little. Wasn't an illusion of the hotel's lighting. Hopefully this continues.

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Good work. It certainly looks to me like your crown is closing in!

In terms of scalp calcification theory. Is your scalp pretty hard, unlike say the sides of your head where you’re not balding?
 

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about the cancer thing related to wounding

We have a ton of fitness lovers on this planet and bodybuilders.

Every time they workout (usually everyday), it causes millions microtears in their muscles and they need to rest so it heals and grows their muslces. and they also have inflamation (muscles soreness)

workouts are probably just like ''wounding'' but to an extreme level, all the time and all over your body......so technically they would get cancer for working out..... but they dont at all.

I know its not the same type of wounding as scalp skin microneedling at all but...... if it makes sense, maybe we can draw and apply this parallel and draw a conclusion without feeling like there's a real risk of longterm microneedling

I must say I don't agree with this analogy, mainly because the "wounding" you mention in weightlifting is a totally different biological process than wounding induced by microneedling, and those differences are relevant regarding the emergence of cancer.
When you lift weights, you are actually causing micro tears in your myofibrills. Basically, destroying you are destroying structures at a sub-cellular level, yo are not destroying muscle cells per se. The reaction of the body is to repair those myofibrills, and produce mor, so that the bundle of myofibrills become thicker within the same muscle cells. Bottom line, increasing muscle mass does not involve increasing muscle cells, but rather making those cells larger (thicker, actually). That can't be considered regeneration in the strict sense.

On the other hand, microneedling seems to induce the conventional regeneration processes, that is, tissues are damaged, and then tissue is regenerated in the form of producing NEW cells which are going to replace the previously destroyed ones. As someone else claimed before, this process involves the multiplication of cells, and cancer is basically cell proliferation.

I am not saying that needling definitely increases the risk of cancer (although if it does, it would not be hard to believe at all, see the studies posted by @Wergi) , Im just saying that the analogy with bodybuilding is not adequate.
 

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Well again, from a non-scientist point of view: I never heard of muscle cancer, but I did hear of skin cancer. Still, an interesting comparison.
I am not saying that needling definitely increases the risk of cancer (although if it does, it would not be hard to believe at all, see the studies posted by @Wergi) , Im just saying that the analogy with bodybuilding is not adequate.

I agree with @DepressionPrince I would love to know the scientists / doctors opinion on microneedling potentially causing cancer.

I never really seen any population damaging their skin on a weekly/monthly basis, at the same place, for 10-30years.
I wouldnt be surprised there is some increase skin cancer risks.

People that arent balding, arent inflicting this type of consistent damage to their skin at all, especially at the same place. It makes you wonder...
 
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My 192 needle and my 540 needle 1mm rollers arrived today. Definitely a different vibe to the 1.5mm stamp I was using. It's a lot quicker and less painful but you cover a large area quickly so it's a different feeling. Very tingly.

The one with 540 needles just gets caught in my hair, and also seems to get "caught" on my skin a bit. Doesn't seem good for me at all.

I like the one with 192 needles, it glides over perfectly. Gonna experiment but I plan to do it every 2-3 days or so along with the harsher 1.5mm stamp every 7-10 days that I currently do.
 

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I agree with @DepressionPrince I would love to know the scientists / doctors opinion on microneedling potentially causing cancer.

I never really seen any population damaging their skin on a weekly/monthly basis, at the same place, for 10-30years.
I wouldnt be surprised there is some increase skin cancer risks.

People that arent balding, arent inflicting this type of consistent damage to their skin at all, especially at the same place. It makes you wonder...
tons of men+women dermaroll their faces.. it's been the skincare craze for like the past decade

all the people buying dermarollers/dermapens are doing it for their face.

we are a very, VERY tiny niche group doing it to our scalps
 

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I agree with @DepressionPrince I would love to know the scientists / doctors opinion on microneedling potentially causing cancer.

I never really seen any population damaging their skin on a weekly/monthly basis, at the same place, for 10-30years.
I wouldnt be surprised there is some increase skin cancer risks.

People that arent balding, arent inflicting this type of consistent damage to their skin at all, especially at the same place. It makes you wonder...
Get hair or die trying, I’m riding these needles to the grave.
 

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Good work. It certainly looks to me like your crown is closing in!

In terms of scalp calcification theory. Is your scalp pretty hard, unlike say the sides of your head where you’re not balding?

I would say my scalp it isn't as pliable. Although my crown has a bit more give to it than say the top of my head... it seems the tightest there.
 
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overpourgoodfortune

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Whats your regime ?

My survey post is here for most details. Here's a quick summary:

I had previously used Minoxidil for around two years' time. Maybe it helped me maintain, or loss was slowed considerably... but definitely no re-growth in that time. I went off it for 6 months... as I just wasn't pleased that I didn't have any re-growth and thought I may as well quit rather than waste the money. Of course I eventually started to shed and things became quite thin.

I started minoxidil again a week before needling (Dec 10). I did also start Finasteride at that time and used a M/W/F low dosing of 1mg. I found this thread a few days into my prescription ... and decided after a month to quit finasteride and just try minoxidil and needling. So my results could certainly be skewed. I decided to quit so I could understand what effect the needling would have with minoxidil ... since with minoxidil alone for 2 years it only helped me maintain.
 

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I would my scalp it isn't as pliable. Although my crown has a bit more give to it than say the top of my head... it seems the tightest there.

Cheers for that feedback. My crown feels like a plastic f*****g chopping board. Or as you put it. Tight!
 

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@overpourgoodfortune . There is definitely results.... and think about it. Imagine you can compound those results going forward. Would be a homerun. Good to see things going in a positive direction for alot of people here lately.

As for the cancer concerns. I just view it like this. Would a company like follica and the all star research team really put together something they know could cause cancer? Even if they could do something to "get around" potential issues with cancer, it would be a tough sell to people. From a marketability and a legal standpoint i just don't think it would make sense.

Alot of things "can cause cancer". As mentioned, people have been needling their faces for a while now. Yes we needle more often, but remember were still experimenting. For maintenance i don't think we'll to needle more than once a month. For regrowth? Who knows, could be the same.
 

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Time for me to post some pics I've never posted before. This was one of the most crucial aspects of this dermarolling experiment for me. To see if it would work on my diffuse sides... something very few people with normal male pattern baldness experience.

And, I have to say, it was a success.

My sides looked so shot to hell and diffuse and now they look restored:
 
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