Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

supermusic

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I think that with that measure could damage the follicle. I remember the study that was published years ago that used 1 mm without pressing so much and with very good results.
 

kiwi666

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This is exactly my case. Some mild results in temoles/hairline, but practically nothing in my crown. I also draw blood in my hairline/temples, but apparently I am not bleeding in my crown, despide the fact that I go VERY hard there. Apparently, a stone has more blood than my f*****g crown, no wonder why the follicles are dead there.
I will give you guys a detailed update in 3 days when February start, with pics and all.

I’m working on my crown but have a different balding pattern. My crown was the last to go but I had a hair transplant on my hairline and it worked okay.

I’d say it’s been bad for about a year. Maybe nine months. I turn 41 this year.

My current regime is about fixing my crown.

My partner “derminators” my crown for me using 1.75mm on fast and it definitely bleeds. She advised me that after doing it once at 2mm it now bleeds more easily at 1.75mm.

She also told me that she presses pretty hard at 1.75mm “in some areas” to make sure there is a good equal spread of blood dots.

I’m not sure yet if it’s working - certainly no miracles yet. But I do think bleeding is possible for the both of you.

Cc @ZenHead
 

kiwi666

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I have been avoiding minoxidil for fear of it causing a shed.

I’ve been using the derminator 2 for around two months without min.

I’m quietly hoping that if I don’t get regrowth soon I might at the very least be strengthening my hair against a minoxidil shed if I go back on it.

Any thoughts on this theory?
 

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You should see a difference by week 6 so be patient, I sometimes you rosemary oil as a topical..also expect flaking for a while I don't get it now..
I mean existing hair thickness should improve I'm still not seeing any major regrowth so hoping the 6 month mark will be more realistic timeframe as you said..
Oh, man... I sure hope so. Thickness alone would give me life; it'd do a good 70% of the job. I only need regrowth on my hairline.
So I sent a message to the legend and myth of needling for some clarification on his status and I got a response:
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My man. If that's true, then that's simply beautiful.
Isn't he on finasteride now though? Think I read he started after stopping needling.
You probably read that from me. What I said is that he was looking into it. Back in the StopAGA days. I actually don't know if he's on Finasteride or not.
Thanks man, won't give up as this is my last hope before a hair system lol
We're both on the lone needler boat. Hope this works for us.
Best of luck!

Regarding blood; I draw blood on the bald areas of my hairline. It was the first and only one to really go and it's been like this for years now.
Guess we're all just different. Or I really press down like the son of a motherfuck.
 

Reggie Perrin

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How are you guys finding the itching and flaking, I find about three days after needling my scalp is so itchy and I have a snow fall from my head. I have never had dandruff before. I just find the itching so intense. Are you guys finding the same thing. Trying to work out if this is normal
 

Bill_Russo

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How are you guys finding the itching and flaking, I find about three days after needling my scalp is so itchy and I have a snow fall from my head. I have never had dandruff before. I just find the itching so intense. Are you guys finding the same thing. Trying to work out if this is normal
Itching was never bad for me, but it's completely gone after a session. I don't get much flaking either; 2 mm 2 times a month.
 

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Also, for clarification: when we talk about "drawing blood" we're not talking about looking like we poured a buncha ketchup on our heads. We mean tiny bloodspots.
Just in case some newcomers see it and think we gotta give blood to the follicle god and dance around a bonfire wearing paper masks of Rachita Dhurat's face to see regrowth.
 
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Apologies if this has been brought up before, but I’m just wondering what people thoughts on micro tearing are? I’m keen to start on using a pen but really can’t afford the expense of £180 for a derminator 2 at the moment. However i can afford something like £60/70 for a dr pen from amazon, but just concerned about the possibility of micro tears and that long term having a detrimental effect. Anyone else gone with that model/similar and noticed decent success or at least no problems?

Thanks
 

Bill_Russo

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Apologies if this has been brought up before, but I’m just wondering what people thoughts on micro tearing are? I’m keen to start on using a pen but really can’t afford the expense of £180 for a derminator 2 at the moment. However i can afford something like £60/70 for a dr pen from amazon, but just concerned about the possibility of micro tears and that long term having a detrimental effect. Anyone else gone with that model/similar and noticed decent success or at least no problems?

Thanks
Hey man.
The results that started this thread were with a £50 pen. In fact, they started with a cheap dermaroller.
The guy has been at it for almost a year now. No problems to report.
I myself am using that pen, but I'm not a good example of long term use as I'm only one month in.
I'm sure there are more people here using a similar pen. Don't really think you have to worry about that, honestly.
 

paul1988

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My lymph nodes are swollen as f***. It's like two golf balls at the back of my neck. I must have went really hard the last session.

Is this due to needling? You scared the sh*t outta me.

Guys I need some encouragement. Lately I'm seeing more people reporting no improvement after X months than positive ones.
I'm only 2 sessions in (every 10-14 days)
 

krk

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Hi there,

I m 2.5 months into needling. So far no results. I m needling once a week, no minoxidil. or anything else. It doesn't work on my scalp (so far), but it definitely works on my beard. Velus hairs on beard are turning black and overall more velus hairs. I m needling my beard after scalp needling, not even pressing hard, so the results after just 2.5 months quite impress me.
Question is. Why. Why does it work on my beard, even without minoxidil. and not on my scalp ? I know that 2.5 months is not a much for a scalp, but I think that I should see at least some new velus hairs. Any ideas ?

What is the needle length for scalp and for beard? I am getting results at 5 weeks using 1.75mm. A ton of little brown hairs in my temples. I am interested in doing it on my face as well, but what length should I use?
 

krk

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My lymph nodes are swollen as f***. It's like two golf balls at the back of my neck. I must have went really hard the last session.

Mine are a little swollen today, after going hard two days ago. It's the first time this has happened though in 5 sessions total.

I always use a new needle and wash my hair before, but besides that, I don't take any other precautions.
 

Me Vs DiffuseThinning

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You have an infection. See a doctor and get antibiotics
Is this due to needling? You scared the sh*t outta me.

Guys I need some encouragement. Lately I'm seeing more people reporting no improvement after X months than positive ones.
I'm only 2 sessions in (every 10-14 days)
Hey, I'm not trying to scare you or anyone else. Enlarged lymph nodes are a known side effect of dermarolling. I just didn't expect them to be this swollen.
 

Wergi

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Massages break up fibrosis all over the body, like when peope foam roll their muscles that's part of what they are doing.
You're talking a serious massage/pressure to break up collagen bundles, not moving your eyebrows.

It was a joke with the eyebrows :). I know about foam rolling, I don't see how massages can help break up fibrosis on your scalp. In my opinion you cannot make enough pressure to make a difference.
 

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I have and idea that I'd like to share with you all. I am going to be taking pictures of my crown this Friday (February 1st) coz I finally get to 3 months of needling with me pen. Although I am kinda satisfied after seeing a seemingly positive (albeit mild and slow) trend for my hairline, I truly believe I am going to be disappointed for my crown. I haven't taken any pics during these 3 months so I don't how how it is, and I didn't want to obsess over it, but just by touching the area I can say I don't feel anything new.
Back with my idea. When I post my before and after pics, I will not label them. I will take about 4-5 "after" pics along with my "before" pic and I will post them in random order. Then, I want you guys to try to guess which one of them is the before, and which ones are the "after" pics.

By doing this kind off "blind" experiment with you guys as the evaluators I will certainly avoid confirmation bias as well as other subjective stuff. I suggest more of of us should try this method when assessing progress. Why is this needed? Because many users here and in other threads post before and after pics whose difference is rather difficult to assess, and in those instances in which hair status is roughly the same, other users tend to favor the after pics just because THEY TRY HARD TO SEE A POSITIVE CHANGE, mostly because they WANT THE TREATMENT TO WORK. In other words, this is called wishful thinking. We all want to think that needling is gonna work so we can live our lifes with hope. I understand it and I suffer from wishful thinking as well.
But to seriously assess the effectiveness of this, we must put our emotions behind and evaluate this process objectively, so we must follow a more scientific and less biased approach. A blind and randomized assessment is a way to get close to that. What do you guys think?
 
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Bill_Russo

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I have and idea that I'd like to share with you all. I am going to be taking pictures of my crown this Friday (February 1st) coz I finally get to 3 months of needling with me pen. Although I am kinda satisfied after seeing a seemingly positive (albeit mild and slow) trend for my hairline, I truly believe I am going to be disappointed for my crown. I haven't taken any pics during these 3 months so I don't how how it is, and I didn't want to obsess over it, but just by touching the area I can say I don't feel anything new.
Back with my idea. When I post my before and after pics, I will not label them. I will take about 4-5 "after" pics along with my "before" pic and I will post them in random order. Then, I want you guys to try to guess which one of them is the before, and which one are the "after" pics.

By doing this kind off "blind" experiment with you guys as the evaluators I will certainly avoid confirmation bias as well as other subjective stuff. I suggest more of of us should try this method when assessing progress. Why is this needed? Because many users here and in other threads post before and after pics whose difference is rather difficult to assess, and in those instances in which hair status is roughly the same, other users tend to favor the after pics just because THEY TRY HARD TO SEE A POSITIVE CHANGE, mostly because they WANT THE TREATMENT TO WORK. In other words, this is called wishful thinking. We all want to think that needling is gonna work so we can live our lifes with hope. I understand it and I suffer from wishful thinking as well.
But to seriously assess the effectiveness of this, we must put our emotions behind and evaluate this process objectively, so we must follow a more scientific and less biased approach. A blind and randomized assessment is a way to get close to that. What do you guys think?
This is 100% how it should be done.
We get some pictures showing clear progress, but we also get pictures that look roughly the same.
It's good to keep people motivated. However, we can't lose sight of reality.
If we really want to separate us from the other needling threads, this is the way to go.
I will be doing this too when the time comes.
 
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