Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

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I had mentioned earlier in the thread about Intermittent fasting and how it lowers CRP. I don't think it ever helped with regrowth in the past, but maybe it helps create a better scalp environment overall for other treatments.


I might give this a try and test again in a few months.
 
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nightly massages might help the more advanced fibrosis on the crown, and one day your crown might have more circulation and it will bleed on your needling sessions,

im assuming the scalp of the crown is thinniner than it used to be, but follicles arent dead, they are most likely ''sleeping'' ....remember that people are getting gains on slick bald areas

slowly adding massages cant hurt, start slowly so your skin can handle/get used to the damage, and you will see small improvements in scalp elasticity.


scalp health/circulation = nw0, theres no way dht eats follicles,..its the fibrosis,...

The real question is : can you reverse fibrosis and then maintain your scalp health with your current regimen

answer : with the right regimen yes, but its a marathon
 
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nightly massages might help the more advanced fibrosis on the crown, and one day your crown might have more circulation and it will bleed on your needling sessions,

im assuming the scalp of the crown is thinniner than it used to be, but follicles arent dead, they are most likely ''sleeping'' ....remember that people are getting gains on slick bald areas

slowly adding massages cant hurt, start slowly so your skin can handle/get used to the damage, and you will see small improvements in scalp elasticity.


scalp health/circulation = nw0, theres no way dht eats follicles,..its the fibrosis,...

The real question is : can you reverse fibrosis and then maintain your scalp health with your current regimen

answer : with the right regimen yes, but its a marathon

Massages reversing fibrosis. Nice idea. I heard raising your eyebrows is the real cause of baldness.

http://buism.com/hairloss.htm

I'm not denying massages are helpful just not in the way you're describing. There is enough blood flow from microneedling.
 

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nightly massages might help the more advanced fibrosis on the crown, and one day your crown might have more circulation and it will bleed on your needling sessions,

im assuming the scalp of the crown is thinniner than it used to be, but follicles arent dead, they are most likely ''sleeping'' ....remember that people are getting gains on slick bald areas

slowly adding massages cant hurt, start slowly so your skin can handle/get used to the damage, and you will see small improvements in scalp elasticity.


scalp health/circulation = nw0, theres no way dht eats follicles,..its the fibrosis,...

The real question is : can you reverse fibrosis and then maintain your scalp health with your current regimen

answer : with the right regimen yes, but its a marathon
I agree massages are beneficial, I’ve been doing scalp massages for about 10 minutes a day. Can’t hurt, but doesn’t seem to be doing much at the moment. I’ll continue regardless
 

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Had these checked and my hormones are within normal range but my thyroxine level is on the lower range of normal and my CRP level is high indicating increased inflammation.
What's the numbers? Do you mind posting?
Somtimes the test ranges are really bad, like estrogen should be 18-30 but my doctor's lab's had an acceptable range of 10-154
 

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Massages reversing fibrosis. Nice idea. I heard raising your eyebrows is the real cause of baldness.

http://buism.com/hairloss.htm

I'm not denying massages are helpful just not in the way you're describing. There is enough blood flow from microneedling.
Massages break up fibrosis all over the body, like when peope foam roll their muscles that's part of what they are doing.
You're talking a serious massage/pressure to break up collagen bundles, not moving your eyebrows.
 

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I wonder if doing an Apple Cider Vinegar soak for 5 minutes (and rinsing it off) would help soften the scalp and make the needles do a better job.
Like for your vertex @ZenHead
 

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My lymph nodes are swollen as f***. It's like two golf balls at the back of my neck. I must have went really hard the last session.
 

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My lymph nodes are swollen as f***. It's like two golf balls at the back of my neck. I must have went really hard the last session.
You have an infection. See a doctor and get antibiotics
 

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Anyone get that terrible feeling you're not wounding as much as you should be? I'm using the fast setting at 2.0mm on the Derminator. No blood whatsoever on the crown, a few tiny specs in the temples where I suspect I've pressed a little harder.
 

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Hi there,

I m 2.5 months into needling. So far no results. I m needling once a week, no minoxidil. or anything else. It doesn't work on my scalp (so far), but it definitely works on my beard. Velus hairs on beard are turning black and overall more velus hairs. I m needling my beard after scalp needling, not even pressing hard, so the results after just 2.5 months quite impress me.
Question is. Why. Why does it work on my beard, even without minoxidil. and not on my scalp ? I know that 2.5 months is not a much for a scalp, but I think that I should see at least some new velus hairs. Any ideas ?
 

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I am one of those repetitive guys suggesting again and again that we should needle at least for a year or a bit more. However, I don't think your claim regarding "Many people have seen significant results begin after a full year of needling" is true. There are certainly not MANY people needling for over a year, and the few of them who have, got results way earlier. The only one who matches that description is PrettyFly, who didn't gain anything before a year. The other needlers who didn't get results in 3-6 months back then simply stopped. So, all our hopes are really based upon a single case, but it is enough for me to keep on needling at least until reaching PrettyFly's time mark. We still don't know what happens to early non-responders if we keep needling. We must find it out. If PrettyFly did it, I think some of us can do it too. As you all can see, a lot of the people who reached the 3 month mark here ARE NOT getting results (which honestly is what I was expecting, but sadly most members were comparing themselves to the remarkable regrowth of numberman for results) .
At this point we are exactly at the same situation of the older microneedling thread: a lot of non responders who then started to quit. This is the moment in which we make the story different. We stick to it for a year and assess if we can replicate PrettyFly.
Me Vs Diffuse Thinning also recently reported regrowth in his desired area after his 8 month. We need more, guys. Man up and needle more. Do not stop and do not make history repeats itself.
I should have worded that differently, "many see results 'late' even up to a year (such as with prettyfly)"
 

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Still wondering if anyone thinks needling can be used for grey? I’m talking like needling sides of the head maybe once every couple months. Obviously not regrowing but to stimulate growth proteins.

Apparently the wnt protein helps restore grey hair as well. Minoxidil is also said to help in some people.
 

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I think minoxidil is playing a factor too. Many here are concentrating on needling alone first which is their choice but then they must be realistic with the time frame and accept that it will take a long time.

Agreed i'm a big believer this will eventually work for everyone. However everyone will differ in terms of stimulating hair proteins/breaking up fibrosis. Some will obviously take longer than others. I think the beauty of this treatment is that just because it may not work in 3-6 months doesn't mean it can't ever work. It just make more time to flip on that switch, especially without using minoxidil.

As for minoxidil. minoxidil can still be a very powerful growth stimulant as we've seen. Hell i remember reading years ago about one guy that used it four times a day a couple years ago and over 6 months practically regrew all his hair. Given the right environment on the scalp (which is what i believe we are creating with needling) it allows minoxidil to do its job better.

Question is what other topicals can work with needling (perhaps follica ends up shedding light on this).
 

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Agreed i'm a big believer this will eventually work for everyone. However everyone will differ in terms of stimulating hair proteins/breaking up fibrosis. Some will obviously take longer than others. I think the beauty of this treatment is that just because it may not work in 3-6 months doesn't mean it can't ever work. It just make more time to flip on that switch, especially without using minoxidil.

As for minoxidil. minoxidil can still be a very powerful growth stimulant as we've seen. Hell i remember reading years ago about one guy that used it four times a day a couple years ago and over 6 months practically regrew all his hair. Given the right environment on the scalp (which is what i believe we are creating with needling) it allows minoxidil to do its job better.

Question is what other topicals can work with needling (perhaps follica ends up shedding light on this).


Also perhaps we are not needling deep enough. That would explain why Follicas device goes like 4 or 5 mm into the skin. I just ordered a 3mm dermaroller and will give that a shot. Supposedly a healthy hair sits at 4 mm in the skin so it would make sense that to break up the calcification near the follicle we would need to get at least that deep.
 
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