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So, I Have Just Popped My First Loniten Pill

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  1. HillTopLumber

    HillTopLumber Established Member My Regimen

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    minoxidil will not cause hair loss, its a hypertensive, it has no correlation to androgens. Your shedding is because you quit finasteride, DHT is no longer being inhibited and therefore the surmountable effect of finasteride is gone, allowing DHT to go back to giving a 100% response, damaged the hair. Why did you stop finasteride, there is no way minoxidil alone will maintain your hair.
     
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    HillTopLumber Established Member My Regimen

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    How long does your minoxidil take to arrive from thailandpharamcy betaboy? I'm not sure if i should by a 3 month or year supply, if the shipping doesn't take a long time then a smaller supply would make more sense.
     
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    Whats kind of sides ? Thanks
     
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    bridgeburn Experienced Member My Regimen

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    Im pretty sure its real. my hair is improving since switching and I still have hair growing all over my cheeks, eyebrows, and forehead.
     
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    Took 2 weeks to get to me in the states
     
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    AnxiousAndy Senior Member My Regimen

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    Not permanent hair loss but minor does cause shedding initially. I'm not saying it's the minoxidil causing it, I'm saying I think the pills I have are bunk. I stopped finasteride as I was losing hair the whole year I was on it, and I'm sure the status quo on here is if you are still balding after a year of finasteride then you are a non responder. And yes I know the technical stuff concerning finasteride but for me it really did make things worse, I posted pics on here months ago showing what it done, and it only got worse from there. I never had a shed when I started finasteride so I can't see why it's causing the shedding now. On a lighter note, I did read on HLH that taking minoxidil more than 2x a day is better so I think after new year I'm gonna take 5mg 3x a day and see if that helps. Yea I don't expect minoxidil to maintain my hair forever, just until something better comes out.

    @bridgeburn how long have you been on it? I seem to be losing the hair on my hands that minoxidil initially brought me so I'm a bit concerned, I do hope this is just follicle synchronisation and I will bounce back. The highest oral minoxidil dosage I'm willing to do is 20mg daily but I hope 15mg will do the trick. My one piece of mind in this situation is ironically that I'm not on finasteride right now.
     
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    I totally agree that if you stop minoxidil (or take bunk ones) the hair you gained will be lost. I would know, I regained my crown only to stop minoxidil, losing it all again. My point was that there is no way minoxidil can make hairloss actively worse, it can do nothing, but it cant cause hairloss.

    Also studies show unfortunately 15mg doesn't show too much of a difference than 10mg, post results if you see a greater response to it, if you do I'm popping 10 of those fuckers a day I swear :D
     
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    AnxiousAndy Senior Member My Regimen

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    Yea I get minoxidil won't make things worse, I was meaning the gains I was getting are regressing, I mean I'm still above baseline(when I started minoxidil) so that's something. How is your crown just now?
    I don't expect upping the dose to work miracles but surely 3x a day is better than 2x considering the 4 hour half life of minoxidil. Also, which study was this? There are very few I've seen using oral minoxidil for hair loss.
     
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    I completely regained it again after losing it but I'm going through a shedding phase so its a bit crap at the moment. Cant wait to start oral minoxidil though, no longer would I need to apply the damn foam all the time.

    I cant remember exactly where I saw it, I may have seen it as a comment on this forum, given how much people seem to be against oral minoxidil I wouldn't be surprised if it was anti-oral propaganda tho.
     
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    That's good to hear :) Geez I hope it's just a shed I'm going through, it's not BAD but it's a big jump from losing almost no hairs at all. From my initial experience oral minoxidil will serve you well, my hair overall is still thicker so I'm hoping it stays that way and eventually improves lol. I presume you've shed a few times from minoxidil and it has always grown back?
    Yea there is a lot of naysayers about oral minoxidil. They are missing out lol the convenience is great!!
     
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    I started at around November 12. but i still had some liquid minoxidil leftover, so i alternated taking 10mg oral and the topical every other day until i ran out of liquid and then just used 10mg a day. i dont remember when i ran out of liquid, maybe a few weeks ago. but have noticed increased face hair.

    Is 20mg safe? damn. it may not necessarily be better with a higher amount since the effectiveness depends on your sulfotransferase levels, which is different for everyone. but maybe because of what you said about the half life, dunno.

    maybe you are shedding from switching brands?
    I know you don't believe it, but finasteride could have been doing something. its very possible to continue losing hair with finasteride since it removes 70% of DHT, but there is still 30% of DHT left to worry about, plus testosterone too if you are sensitive enough.
     
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    This is my first shed after 2 years on finasteride+minoxidil (excluding the time when I stopped minoxidil), its quite bad, it stopped now but I started a new more aggressive regime so that may have had something to do with it. To be honest I don't even care about oral being more or less effective than topical (I'm more of an anti-androgen guy) the important think is that i don't have to wake up an hour early for school and my hair will no loner look like a frizzy mess :D
     
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    AnxiousAndy Senior Member My Regimen

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    It could be because of the brand change, I'm not saying the minox10 is fake, but right now I'm thinking it could be. Is anyone able to test the pills?
    Yea I know finasteride can be like that, if I lost my hair at the same rate I wouldn't be so bias against finasteride but I lost hair faster the entire time I was on it. I am positive that was the case unfortunately. I will stick to what I said and wait til new years and if I'm still shedding I'm upping the ante a bit to see if that helps.
     
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    AnxiousAndy Senior Member My Regimen

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    I personally prefer anti-androgens too, but it's a damn shame none of the ones I've tried have worked! :( tried finasteride and oral spironolactone.. That shit gave me a shed from hell for months! School? How old are you dude? You must be quite young and have more experience with these chemicals than I do lol.
     
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    I am 19 years old, I hate testosterone so I have no problem in nuking it, including the sides I am having with dutasteride+200mg spironolactone.

    What dosage of spironolactone were you on and how long were you on the treatment? Given that spironolactone decreases serum T quite siginificantly its amazing you didn't respond to it. If youre really desperate try 50/100mg cyprotone acetate, if that somehow fails too (I'd be amazed) add Estradiol or Diane 35, there is no way in hell you will continue balding after that.
     
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    AnxiousAndy Senior Member My Regimen

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    Isn't Cyprotone a steroidal anti androgen? I'm willing to try just about anything within my budget honestly haha. I do need something to replace finasteride and I'm scared to try dutasteride incase it fucks up my hairline badly.
    I was on 150mg daily. I was on it for about 6 months. Thinned out my hair but my skin was flawless.
     
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    I know that i am on a hardcore regimen so I may not be ideal person to report I haven't lost ground since using minox10, I recently popped Diane 35 for a couple weeks and saw a boost in improvement after that. However, I do still have hair growing on places on my face like the cheeks and I'm pretty sure cheek hair is not helped by anti androgens or estrogens, so i believe that the pills are legit.

    with finasteride, i think its possible that although it reduces DHT, maybe your body fought back by upregulating its receptors to become more sensitive to lower levels of androgens. If this is the case than both starting finasteride and stopping finasteride can cause a shed. if your body is more sensitive to androgens now and you suddenly stop finasteride then your DHT will go up and you'll still be more sensitive now than you were before finasteride at least until your receptors readjust themselves, IF they even do that.

    Unfortunately, I think the only way to fight back is to jump to strong enough meds to overpower it. like if finasteride makes worse go to dutasteride, then if dutasteride stops working add spironolactone, if that stops working increase spironolactone dose, if that stops working go to cypro. I cant really recommend of course because of sides... maybe try the Topical Daro route, ive been hearing good things about it. it will block the receptor but not cross blood brain barrier so shouldn't reduce your T. but its being experimented right now
     
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    AnxiousAndy Senior Member My Regimen

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    Thanks for the thorough reply!
    I'm tempted to try cyproterone but if stopped won't that cause most, if not all of my hair to fall out? How do you go about buying topical estradiol? I'm in desperate need of an anti androgen that will work for me lol.
     
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    well thats why you don't suddenly stop, cypro does have some build up effect though. and its a hardcore T bomb used for chemical castration so should be pretty effective, lol. I have stopped cypro for about 2 months now but I increased estrogen dose. im sure my T is still tanked and is kept suppressed by E. inhouse sells estrogel, so does thailand pharmacy, and its european brand. I usually order from a local site for the country i live in.
     
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    AnxiousAndy Senior Member My Regimen

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    Do you think 25mg of cypro 4 times a week would be enough? I may add in the E gel if I can afford it. Reading through old hair loss sites about using cypro ( in particularly Secrethero89) it seems he thinned out badly on it, I'm not sure whether to believe him or not because his pic is thick NW1.. He then came to the conclusion since nothing worked for him he must have some auto immune disease o_O Are you the guy in your picture?
    There is so much doubt in my mind right now about androgenic alopecia. Maybe it's all a huge conspiracy and everyone claiming to be on anti androgen with success is trying to sell me to big pharma.. Not really haha but for some I can't understand with literally no T and DHT how they can continue to bald.
    My plan of action is this, stick with minoxidil no matter what because I did see some results and gradually increase my dose. Then at month 6 - 8 if things don't look up i will jump on the hardcore anti androgens and stand with you guys as eventual thick NW1's :cool:
    Hey @bridgeburn I have asked this before but I forgot, and what Norwood are you?
    Also, have you noticed any gyno?
     

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