I think the key to success for some of us is NOFAP

[maher]

But as you said, there is no rigorous study on it. Let's say that you as a layperson have a one in ten thousand chance of being correct, that ceasing sex and masturbation will in some way help your hair. Do you really want to swear off a biological imperative and quite literally the most pleasurable thing you can do to keep your hair?

But that's not even a real question because it's predicated on a pretty farcical notion. Run this idea by a dermatologist.

..jezus.. who said you can't have sex. If you decrease monthly number of orgasms from 30-40 down to 3-4, believe me, you'll see the difference.. Masturbation as biological imperative?! :unsure: it's nice to have your priorities straight.

Do you really want to swear off a biological imperative and quite literally the most pleasurable thing you can do to keep your hair?

I think you should address this question to guys on propecia.

 

[drgs]

Do you really want to swear off a biological imperative and quite literally the most pleasurable thing you can do to keep your hair?

I'm the guy on propecia. Yes I do
Next question.

 

[dreamermerlin]

But as you said, there is no rigorous study on it. Let's say that you as a layperson have a one in ten thousand chance of being correct, that ceasing sex and masturbation will in some way help your hair. Do you really want to swear off a biological imperative and quite literally the most pleasurable thing you can do to keep your hair?

But that's not even a real question because it's predicated on a pretty farcical notion. Run this idea by a dermatologist.

I think the chances that i'm correct are much higher than 1 in 10.000 .

It is pleasurable, of course, but the pleasure comes with the drawback of consuming an enormous amount of energy.
Nothing is free. )
So decreasing sex frequency can make you have more energy, if it doesn't help the hair at all.

And, as i said, there is a theory that nature created sex for reproduction purposes only, pleasure is secondary and only for making sure the species doesn't dissapear. According to the same theory, when you've had many orgasms, the body considers that you have created a sufficient number of descendants, and so you fulfilled your main objective on earth, so you can age quickly and die, to let space and resources for your descendants.


Have in mind i'm strictly talking about sex here. Masturbation is something that has no sense. It may only be an addiction, a vice, it doesn;t give you real pleasure, let's face it. It should be quitted after the pubertal period of "sexuality discovery".

 

[micky16799]

Does the regrowth only apply as long as you don't ejaculate? Or do you have to not get turned on for the time being?
I somehow have some faith in this. I haven't been masturbation due to tight schedules this past two months and now, my hair is actually quite thicker than it used to be some months ago. Although, I'm not sure if it was because of that or just better nutrition. Time will tell...

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

There are many studies coming out about p**rn and how it affects cognition and personality and all sorts of things. That can be the psychological perspective, but the changes in behavior may come from altering of hormones as well. Like everything that contributes to a healthy individual, everything in moderation. You don't have to quit whacking it, but I think all of us hairloss sufferers should completely cut out p**rn if we are serious about it. Hey it might not help hair, but it certainly won't hurt it and it will have benefit us in other aspects of our health.

I totally agree with your point of view , pornography perverts your mind and leaves you with remorse , especially after having pulled out your bird and used it for something that is disgusting enough , it has an impact on your personality in some way (well at least not for everyone , for the most innocent ones it does have this impact)

I've masturbated for the first time when I was 14 years old , and then haven't done it again until my 17 (yes , I was watching p**rn between 14-> 17 without masturbating ,I don't know why and this is not the subject) , but since that day , I was doing it like 4-5 times a day , until my 18-19 where that 5 times became 2-3 times a day , and now that I am 21, it has been reduced to twice a week , which is a big progress , and I have to admit that it somehow improved my well-being and my personality.

I don't know how could people do it 10 times a day O_O ? they have to be sperm machines.

But enough of this , let's talk about the baldness through my experience:

*I have a crown baldness only , I've never had any receding temples ,and this despite all those years of masturbation (well 4-5 years roughly).

*1 to 2 years after my having started wicked habit I have noticed some kind of small bald spots on the top of my head even though it wasn't as described on the norwood chart. I don't know how to describe those spots so here is a picture :




actually just look at wentwoth miller's photo when his hair are grown , you'll see the same spots as mine

http://media3.onsugar.com/files/201...th-Miller-Opens-Up-About-Suicide-Attempts.jpg

and http://images5.fanpop.com/image/pho...-2003-wentworth-miller-28602712-1048-1600.jpg


*Whenever I masturbate I have my eyebrows (like 8 at one time) and some hair falling out , sometimes only the eyebrows and this only by gettin horny all of a sudden and at once , not gradually (as soon as I enter on a p**rn website)

So I figured that my over masturbation might have been the cause of all those problems (especially the eyebrows) , from that day I've reduced my masturbation rate ,and in fact I've found out by passing my hand on my eyebrows before and after (at least 3 days of nofap) that it was the cause of them falling out , I am quite sure about it.

However I hadn't enough will to get past more than one week without any faps so I can't confirm that theory.
Hopefully I'll have enough mental strength to withstand that envy , I'll tell you if it did anything.

 

[maher]

Hang in there, Monkey. Stay away from p**rn, keep your mind busy. Good luck.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

thank you maher , being busy is the thing to do ,but sometimes when you are at home with nothing to do (no movies / games / series) the bird starts itching you , and then you can't help it , utterly enjoying at the moment and then regret it aftewards.


EDIT : If there is any moderator passing by , my above message has been sent numerous times because I thought that the moderator approval thing was bugging (sometimes your message shows up and other time it requires moderation approval) , I apologize in advance for the spam that it is going to cause if it ever shows itself.

 

[maher]

Monkey, its not easy to go nofap. IMO, its easier to quit smoking than go nofap...but at the end it is only a bad habit and the best way to get rid of bad habit is to do it gradually-let your body&endocrine system to adjust. Going cold turkey is ****ing torture.

I'm 2 months 100% nofap. Before that, i was on "low-fap"(1x/week or 1x/10days |average) for 12 months.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

thank you for having bumped it , I didn't find it in search history.

WOW 2 months , I applaud you maher ! , yours is a good method ,I am going for one week this time , knowing that there isn't the climate change problem anymore , I'll tell you about the results.

my way was to promise to myself not to do it , or to swear on the holy book , it's weird I know , but it was the only way to prevent me from doing it because I can't lie to myself , even less to the religion , makes you gain confidence/satisfaction + not wanking!

 

[Diffuser44]

Monkey, its not easy to go nofap. IMO, its easier to quit smoking than go nofap...but at the end it is only a bad habit and the best way to get rid of bad habit is to do it gradually-let your body&endocrine system to adjust. Going cold turkey is ****ing torture.

I'm 2 months 100% nofap. Before that, i was on "low-fap"(1x/week or 1x/10days |average) for 12 months.[/

quitting smoking was a cake walk
compared
to trying to
go nofap.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

If you wish to stop beating off for whatever reason: p**rn addiction, got caught too many times, feel lame afterwards, wasting hours of life, etc, then more power to you. Wacking off makes absolutely no difference when it come to hair loss. With the overwhelming availability of internet p**rn, 99% of boys would be NW7 by the age of 16. Again if it makes you feel better to quit, then great, but don't think it will make a difference in your hair.

 

[hellouser]

If you wish to stop beating off for whatever reason: p**rn addiction, got caught too many times, feel lame afterwards, wasting hours of life, etc, then more power to you. Wacking off makes absolutely no difference when it come to hair loss. With the overwhelming availability of internet p**rn, 99% of boys would be NW7 by the age of 16. Again if it makes you feel better to quit, then great, but don't think it will make a difference in your hair.

Yup.

It'd be almost guaranteed to see the pastiest of the pasty overweight socially inept teens working their way into their late 20s with very little hair. It doesn't happen as often the 'no fap' advocate would make you believe.

 

[SayifDoit]

how retarded
nofap,is bull****

dont waste your time

 

[maher]

,, Again if it makes you feel better to quit, then great, but don't think it will make a difference in your hair.

Yup.

It'd be almost guaranteed to see the pastiest of the pasty overweight socially inept teens working their way into their late 20s with very little hair. It doesn't happen as often the 'no fap' advocate would make you believe.

how retarded
nofap,is bull****

dont waste your time

I guess you 3 Einsteins have some new scientific evidence (debunking MASTURBATION->DHT relation) that i'm not aware of... or at
least talking from personal experience..even tho I doubt you could go more than 3 days nofap. If not... then it is just selfish and hypocritical..
I'm mainly anti-finasteride, anti-RU.. anti-pharma.. bull**** and you don't see me trolling around those threads and being miserable.

I've experienced so many positive effects doing nofap... mentally and physically-and I encourage everyone to try it. It just isn't fair that you divert someone from trying by making these false statements...


It still stands:

Masturbation elevates DHT:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00593-0017.pdf ( table II)

abstract :
Our results strongly support the hypothesis that
dihydrotestosterone is the active hormone for male
sexual function as reflected in the frequency of orgasms.
An increase of dihydrotestosterone by about 2 SD
(1-36 nmol/l) was associated with an increase of the
weekly number of orgasms by at least one and
conceivably more depending on the extent of biologically
generated variation and consequent misclassifica-
tion. Additionally, within the age range studied, a
difference of three years corresponded to an increase
of the weekly number of orgasms by about two;
this increase is likely to reflect socially conditioned
enhancement of opportunities with increasing age
(possibly including marital status which was not ascer-
tained in this study).
Only orgasms were evaluated in this investigation,
and no attempt was made to ascertain other aspects of
male sexual behaviour.' Previous studies, however,
have found that self reported frequency of orgasms in
men is a highly reliable method for the evaluation of the
effects of androgens on sexual activity that tends to
remain stable over time.

It shows that only 1 orgasm a week increases DHt by up to 36nmol/l. Normal range for DHT =20-50. So imagine a guy that jerks 10-15x a week /10 years.. DHT chronicly increased...Noooo.. that for sure wouldn't effect your hair....your body either.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

damn right , masturbating has to have something to do with DHT , my eyebrows are falling out whenever I jack off , don't go telling me that it is caused by some stress or bad nutrition or even less a coincidence.

masturbating once a week is good for the moral , I acknowledge , it's like waiting for your payday ,it relieves. but doing it too often and your personality would be affected in some way.

I know that this is not a philosophy forum but , something that makes you feel good like drugs or tobacco smoking , or eating junk food /sweets (that taste really good) cannot be without harmful consequences , that's the way life is.

@maher , my late hairloss was in fact due to the climate change of my trip , I did find at most : 30 hair in the shower today when washing them , as you said it has been regulated after about 1-2 weeks since the trip, I can feel it. it had nothing to do with masturbation this time.

 

[hellouser]

I guess you 3 Einsteins have some new scientific evidence (debunking MASTURBATION->DHT relation) that i'm not aware of... or at
least talking from personal experience..even tho I doubt you could go more than 3 days nofap. If not... then it is just selfish and hypocritical..
I'm mainly anti-finasteride, anti-RU.. anti-pharma.. bull**** and you don't see me trolling around those threads and being miserable.

I've experienced so many positive effects doing nofap... mentally and physically-and I encourage everyone to try it. It just isn't fair that you divert someone from trying by making these false statements...


It still stands:

Masturbation elevates DHT:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00593-0017.pdf ( table II)

abstract :
Our results strongly support the hypothesis that
dihydrotestosterone is the active hormone for male
sexual function as reflected in the frequency of orgasms.
An increase of dihydrotestosterone by about 2 SD
(1-36 nmol/l) was associated with an increase of the
weekly number of orgasms by at least one and
conceivably more depending on the extent of biologically
generated variation and consequent misclassifica-
tion. Additionally, within the age range studied, a
difference of three years corresponded to an increase
of the weekly number of orgasms by about two;
this increase is likely to reflect socially conditioned
enhancement of opportunities with increasing age
(possibly including marital status which was not ascer-
tained in this study).
Only orgasms were evaluated in this investigation,
and no attempt was made to ascertain other aspects of
male sexual behaviour.' Previous studies, however,
have found that self reported frequency of orgasms in
men is a highly reliable method for the evaluation of the
effects of androgens on sexual activity that tends to
remain stable over time.

It shows that only 1 orgasm a week increases DHt by up to 36nmol/l. Normal range for DHT =20-50. So imagine a guy that jerks 10-15x a week /10 years.. DHT chronicly increased...Noooo.. that for sure wouldn't effect your hair....your body either.

And yet you only have numbers to show for it but no evidence to show that it actually DOES make you go bald.

 

[SayifDoit]

It is laughable.
My eyebrows nearly disappeared after I started masturbating.
****IN RIGHT
US GUYS LOOSING OUR HAIR MUST REFRAIN FROM MASTURBATION!!!
/sarcasm
plz

 

[Diffuser44]

I feel like mythbusters should debunk this myth. There might be some nofap benefits related to hair loss, but it isn't saving your hair. Example, nofap might help cure your anxieties and depression. Also while on finasteride, I was actually hornier and had an obvious increase in libido. Nofap whilst taking finasteride might be beneficial. Nofap whilst not taking finasteride equals bald.

 

[maher]

It is pointless to "argue" with you guys.. Just give it a go for min. 2-3 months and then you can judge..My hairloss stoped completely. I wish i done that in my early 20s, would be still nw1.5.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Your the one that is claiming that not beating off will make a difference. Why should any of us have to prove your claims to be true? As far as the mental and physical effects go, like I said if it makes you feel better then go for it, more power to you. As far as hair loss effects, show me anybody who benefited with regrowth or stopping hair loss. Not being rude, but the proof just isn't there. Scientific data, stats and all that stuff is nice, but when it come to the battle of hair loss the only thing that should convince any of us is more hairs on our head. Congratulations on abstaining from wacking off.