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I think the key to success for some of us is NOFAP

Discussion in 'Men's General Hair Loss Discussions' started by FormerFro, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. FormerFro

    FormerFro New Member

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    I've been losing my hair probably since I was 14 years old. Temples slowly got thinner, receded by 18 but able to cover up. Continued to recede and thin out and now at 25 I'm a nw3 with vertex getting worse. I've tried rogaine at 22. Made my hair much thicker but eventually I stopped using it and hair got worse. Last year I tried saw palmetto, biotin, beta sitosterol to see if they would make a difference and the results after a year were negligible...

    The only major difference in hair quality I noticed was after traveling for 6 weeks without masturbation. It is the longest time i've gone without ejaculating since my early teens and my hair felt fantastic. I was even getting comments from family and friends on how good my hair looked and this was only after a month! After I returned from my travels, the fapping habit was back and I could feel my hair returning to its dull state.

    This has to be the cause of my early hair loss 100% without a doubt. I can feel my temples warming up when I orgasm. Somehow, the DHT must skyrocket in my scalp afterwards.

    I just started using 1.25 finasteride, rogaine liquid, and nizoral 2% at the beginning of june, but..I've also been a horny dog and fapping atleast 4 to 5 times a week. Have yet to experience the same thickening I had during NOFAP.

    My goal now is to continue the big 3 in addition to No fap to see if I can eliminate the cause, and get some regrowth. I will keep you all posted! Support and criticism is welcome!
     
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    Yeah, that's no secret. Every now and then you will see a thread with this subject, where usually a newbie asks about masturbation vs hairloss, and you will see a mob step up soon and batter the OP (and the thread) to death with some nonsense. However, as you stated, for some it's the "holy grail". I think that this is the case for many (I'd say for many of those for whom "nothing" seems to work), but they don't want to know - so be it.
     
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    Good Lord, you think that's a lot?
     
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    It seems pretty unlikely to me that you would have noticed very visible changes in your hair thickness in as little as a month. Hair loss or growth just doesn't work like that for the vast majority of people. You also say that you started the finasteride, nizoral and Rogaine in June. Then, there will be no way to know for sure if your hair improves from abstaining from masturbation, as you're also on multiple treatments.

    Also, it is extremely anecdotal evidence that perpetuates the whole "masturbation causes hair loss" idea. I have never seen anyone willing to forgo all hair loss treatments and only abstain from masturbation as a means to stop or reverse their hair loss (and provide progressive pictures). Even if there were someone who did this successfully, then that does not mean that it will work for the next person. My conclusion is that you're MUCH better off going with treatments that are actually supported by research and data.

    A note on research - There was a study conducted in the 1970s that concluded that testosterone post-orgasm was slightly elevated in young men. However, this result has been disputed. Studies since then have even shown an opposite effect, such as in this 2001 study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788. In this study, testosterone levels in men who had abstained from masturbation for 3 weeks actually showed an increase in testosterone, while there was little or no change in testosterone post-masturbation. I'm not terribly aware of many studies that have been done that measure DHT levels post-masturbation, but if anyone has any, please share.

    I don't think that there's anything wrong with "nofap", but I think to claim that it benefits hair loss is very premature and slightly baseless. I just haven't seen any proof, even from people who claim it to be true.
     
  6. FormerFro

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    I think the only way to prove its effectiveness is through anecdotal evidence atm. I understand that stating after one month my hair thickness improved is circumstantial at best. However, I can assure you, my hair became easier to style, stronger to the touch, and thicker in appearance. It just seems too obvious that male pattern baldness is related to sexual behaviour, specifically the health of our prostate glands, and what affect regular stimulation might have on it.

    I know it's extremely hard to avoid a habit that seems as natural as masturbating, especially when the internet is such an easy source of material. But, I think if you're really bothered by hair loss like I am and it is affecting your real relationships and real confidence then you owe it to yourself to try "nofap" for atleast 3 weeks to see if affects the nature of your hair.

    My current regime as of June 1, 2013:

    1.25mg finasteride daily before bed
    5% rogaine minoxidil twice daily
    Nizoral 2% every 3 days
    375mg beta sitosterol x2 daily
    1000mg MSM x2 daily
    *NO FAP* (Day 2) :)
    Age 25. Receding Temples since 14. Stalled at NW3 for past 2 years. Slowly thinning everywhere.
    I'm in it for the long haul this time I'll keep ya'll posted on my progress with pics
     
  7. Quantum Cat

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    this baseless myth seems to come up quite frequently - I can't see how ejaculation could have any effect on a genetic condition, which is what male pattern baldness is. Quantity of DHT doesn't determine your hairloss - genes do. That's assuming jacking off even affects DHT levels to an extent that makes a difference which is highly unlikely


    like with the whole diet/lifestyle theory, it can easily be debunked with simple counter examples: would you claim that every man with a full head of hair, and who keeps a full head into old age, never or rarely has sex? What about Michael Douglas? And all bald men must be sex maniacs or relentless masturbators? What about monks?

    masturbation WILL make you go blind though. :freaked:
     
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    How will masturbation make you go blind?

    And I agree on this subject. Everyone shoots it down but I think there is some science to it. Sexuality is a huge part of everyone's life. Look at Freud's theory. There is oral fixation, genital, followed by a***. I think sexuality has a lot to do with development and our look. You guys know what I'm talking about.

    hunk4.jpg

    See how this guy has no shame pushing his junk out. He extends his hips and also throws his head back. Guarantee this guy orgasms in that same position.

    We all know those girls that look like sl*ts. Its how they carry themselves. You know hose girls that have that big wide mouth and stick their tongues out in pictures? I can almost guarantee they all got past the oral fixation early and their tongue sits far back in their mouth and they can deep throat like a motherf*&%#*. The girls that stick their *** out probably have no fear of a*** and are actually advertising their booty. sl*ts.

    Just how saw palmetto physically makes my prostate different, the next day after jacking my prostate feels different and my testes feel weak and empty. While after sex I feel satisfied and healthy (unless it was some hoe and have regrets). I think you should pay attention to this and really watch the fapping.

    I also believe p**rn is the single most detrimental thing to men's health. Again it can kill posture and confidence in real situations. Just how I was talking about that dude's orgasm, you can tell that a sloped shoulder, bowed head weakling spends hours bent over his computer searching through pornhub. p**rn is FAKE!!! Real sex is where its at. Cool you can live out fantasies through the web and watch girls get spunked on 30+ times or take a huge black c*** in their ***. F that ****. Get fit, get confident and go make that **** happen for yourself. I completely agree Fro. Cut out the p**rn, limit the fapping, and go get b****s.
     
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    You don't know about this? Chronic masturbation is heavily associated with the formation of cataracts within the lens of the eye.

    Your post makes me think you need psychiatric help. Or something.
     
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    Oh I've never heard that. I know after posting I thought man people are going to think some weird things of me. But I am very involved and educated in health, in all types from psychiatric to modern medicine to native american plants and herbs, so most people don't see what I see.
     
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    This thread proves the power of placebo
     
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    ehhh sometimes its fun to masturbate 10 times a day but whose counting lawl
     
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    Which drugselling company paid you for saying that?

    Tell me...are you balding? Or rather do you notice lots of hairfall the next day? :hairy:



    We should actually make a poll to check how bald people are and how much they fap...could be interesting to check out the connection if there is any.
     
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    I doubt there is one. I know people who spank their monkeys like there's a prize in it for 'em, and they have thick, full heads of hair. All this nonsense about baldness, blindness, hairy palms, are typical of "scare stories" that are used to keep people from doing what the morality police don't want them to. Monkeys spank their...humans? like there's no tomorrow. Ever seen a bald monkey? Other animals masturbate as well. And yeah, I know, Chinese medicine says beatin' the bishop makes you go bald. They also say powdered rhino horn will make your tallywhacker long and hard. Uh huh. Sorry, all it does is lower the number of Black Rhinos left in the wild. Beat it if you got it. It won't make you go bald.
     
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    No, the problem seems to be that people like you and most of those that post to this thread (and such threads in general) do not even read the headline, let alone understand what OP has written. Do you notice the word "some" in there? No one makes claims about everyone. Have you ever noticed that male pattern baldness can proceed very differently in different people? It seems that this is beyond your (and those like you) intellectual horizon, but you could at least try..
     
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    I'm a good person (rolfmao) so I won't do the same as you. I won't laugh at you but instead take you seriously and answer your claims.

    Yes, I've seen bald monkeys, I do not think they went bald because of masturbating.
    I'm not Chinese and I haven't tried any of the Chinese drugs to check if they help baldness. I would try acupuncture if I really wanted to, to see if it helped against the tight scalp and maybe let the hair follicles flourish.
    As to the animal reference...I am not an animal. I do not see myself coming from a monkey. Yes, you may do that, I don't.
    Still we can compare animals with humans if you want. Animals don't go to work, they do not make stuff, they don't watch TV, eat fastfood, get depressed (wait some do), kill each other for gold, lie to each other, betray you, etc etc you see where I'm going. Humans are soooooo different from animals. So let's not compare each other if we only compare one thing and not everything. Monkeys fap??? I thought they only had sex when they wanted to do some. I just got a feeling of happiness for not having discovery channel.

    I never said that the reason for baldness was only masturbation. I just said it would be interesting to test out if there was a connection. You never know.

    Why are you so against it? Are you really afraid to find something that will make you...err..cry, smile or whatever you are afraid of?

    Also as psyhotria points out so nicely. It could be for some people it affects them. You may be one of the "it's only drugs that will help you against baldness"-people. Then let me ask, how can you be sure the drugs will work for you?
    If you look at the studies for Finesteride then you will see it only worked for about 2/3 of the people at keeping their hair, a lot less people got regrowth and others kept losing their hairs cuz of no effect. The best thing is about the study is that the placebo people who meant they kept their hair on their head. Makes you wonder how wonderful it really is, eh?
    minoxidil doesn't even give a guarantee either. It says on my package "For early hair loss". Then what about the ones who lost their hair 5-6 years ago? That's late not early. Not to mention even here you only got the 2/3 it works for.
    That's the most wonderful point of it. Any cure related to drugs seems to only work for maximum 2/3 of the bald people in the world. The study only have people from Norwood 1-3 but not the NW6 ones. There's no hope for the rest, it seems so 1/3 of the bald people are screwed. You see where I'm getting? If the drugs don't work then maybe it's something else in your body that makes you lose hair.

    Calling them names for trying to find something wrong with their life style, diet or environment...is quite low and ignorant. I do not believe you to be that shallow.

    We blame the genes too. Still, just because you got baldness in your genes it doesn't mean you will absolutely get bald. Genes only tell you that there's a big chance for getting bald, so look out. According to USA gene research they found the gene for rapism and violence and alcoholism. Does this mean that we can be sure they are going to be criminals and we should kill or throw them in jail from the day they are born?

    Lastly, too much of everything is bad, even masturbating. If you believe this to be wrong...*looks away and whistles*
     
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    I really don't understand how people can completely dismiss the notion that too much masturbation can cause hair loss without providing any proof. They say its takes about 1-2 years to see some regrowth from finasteride, for some even couple of months. If we want to find out whether nofap works then we ought to be celibate for more than year or 3 months minimum. Then we can truly know for sure whether nofap can produce any results but I dont think a lot of men can withhold sex and masturbation for over year.
     
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    There are lots of people who`ve gone for more than several years in NoFap. Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/

    The only problem with NoFap is that it`s so much difficult. NoFap is not the only cause of hair loss. If you lived a completely stress free and healthy life with good food and exercise minus NoFap for at least an year, you will certainly see at least 1 new strand emerge on top of complete cessation of hair loss. Why i`m so certain? Coz i know no man can ever live life so perfectly (and without any stress at all for an entire year)
     
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    http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/0.BENEFITS.pdf

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    I notice some physical changes as well. I seem to growfacial hair a hell of a lot quicker then before. My skin looks more healthy,and what is also unusual is that the hair on my head has gotten a lotthicker?!?!?! Has anyone else experienced this? "

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    (After rebooting) I’ve experienced a good amount of hair regrowth myselfpersonally. It could also be because I got off accutane 6 months ago though. "

    "The sides of my head have been thinning for around 2-3 years.(I'm 21) There isn't much history of male pattern baldness in my family, so I wentto the Doctor. He said he thought it was just my natural hair-line coming through andcould possibly be male pattern baldness in its very early stages. "

    "Since beginning abstinence from PMO around a year ago, my hair line hasgrown back and my hair is a LOT thicker (I used to have it cut once every 2months, now it’s once every month). This could be a few things: - Maybe I had a short bout of alopecia
    - Stress around that time caused hair loss (My cousin went 50% bald from stress,but it grew back)
    - Too much masturbation caused the hair loss and reversing this caused hairregrowth




    It could be any one of these. I'm skeptical to say that not masturbating can makehair grow back, but with all the other cool benefits some of us get duringabstinence, why not? It's only a small majority of people who practice abstinenceif you think about it, especially nowadays when sex is less and less taboo, so hairregrowth in people who abstain is unlikely to be documented. "

    "I'm 27 years old and I've noticed that my hairline on my forehead hasreceded a little bit over the past few years and the overall having a full headof hair doesn't seem as thick as it used to (at least that's what several peoplehave told me). It has been growing back since I started no PMO about 4months ago and my longest streak was 31 days. Hair on my chest that hasnever grown before is starting to grow in. Pretty amazing, but I guess sinceI've been fapping regularly since 1st grade, I never gave my body thetestosterone it needed to develop more hair on my chest. "

    "I'm growing hair faster and thicker. Beard hair is growing really fast. Myhair on my head seems to be growing out and my (nonexistent if you ask me,
    but small if you ask others) bald spot seems to be shrinking. It's muy "

    "(Day 70) Less oily skin, much better skin and thicker hair. "

    "But even so I'm already noticing other benefits, such as chest hair
    growth and hair on my arms that keeps getting darker. Which is [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]by the way. "

    "- increased hair growth: particurarily on my arms and chest"

    "Amazingly my musicianship becamemore fluid and I started getting chest hair (!!) after one week. "

    "-Also I have noticed the hair on my face is growing faster? LOL... Soundsweird I know but seriously my "beard" looks really long and thick as if Ihaven’t shaved in 2 days. Normally I could go 2 days without shavingwithout looking like a bum. It has been less then 15 hours and I have toshave again. "

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    I notice that my facial hair is growing a bit faster too! Now, I recognise that theamount of facial hair on a man has as much to do with genetics as it has to dowith hormones, so I will precede the following with the expression that I do nothave a lot of facial hair in general. My moustache, during the times that I've triedto grow it in the past, has been wispy at best... This has been a minor source ofanxiety in my adult life. Yet, now, after 4 weeks, I find myself needing to trim mymoustache every 4 or 5 days, rather than every 2 weeks! "
     
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    They say that a healthy sex life is good for your hair and overall health but masturbation is the devils tool and you will go bald if you keep making a mess all over your bedroom.

    Its all bollocks really.
     

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