mr the hairy monkey
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well at least , we know what khrushchev and churchill have been up to all these years. :kaputt: , even statham and willis
I think the key to success for some of us is NOFAP
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You think Brad and Tom are compulsive masturbators?? I don't.
Diffuser44
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I do think more people seem to be balding at a younger age than our parents' generation did. Could be partially blamed on Internet p**rn. Or all the sugars and high carb diets we eat.
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Not that it causes it but makes it happen prematurely. Maybe a healthy diet low in sugars and low in carbs could put hair loss at bay. Similar to diabetes in a way.
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This would explain all the young bald beer drinkers. And certainly would help to explain my early hair loss
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Not that it causes it but makes it happen prematurely. Maybe a healthy diet low in sugars and low in carbs could put hair loss at bay. Similar to diabetes in a way.
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This would explain all the young bald beer drinkers. And certainly would help to explain my early hair loss
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They fornicate a lot more than any of us do... try David Duchovny. Dude is a sex addict and still has all his hair.
Sigh.
I.D WALKER
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None of these entertainers, promiscuous or not, fap or nofap, who have kept their hair past their mortal prime were ever genetically predisposed or destined to lose their coveted locks in the first place. As frustrated M.P.B. sufferers it's perfectly understandable why we scour this planet in hopes of discovering and isolating M.P.B. preventative trigger mechanisms. It's generally what afflicted, over burdened mortals like us tend to ponder and pine over because the prospects of witnessing a viable cure in the next 5 to 10 years condemns us to this paralyzing hellish state.
mr the hairy monkey
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Fred le belge , you can't deny the fact that pollution and industrial products or even junk food are more present that they have ever been in the previous centuries.
I mean , I would rather squeeze oranges myself to make a juice , instead of buying industrial garbage , there are too many chemical products in made ones . I know this is not about food , but that was merely an example.
a lot of things have been improved throughout the 21 century , but when it comes to food and nutrition , junk food and "chemical food" is more present than ever.
that's the advantage of the older generation people during their young age , they didn't have this rubbish food.
I am not saying that it is the direct cause , but its effect isn't negligible on well-being.
I mean , I would rather squeeze oranges myself to make a juice , instead of buying industrial garbage , there are too many chemical products in made ones . I know this is not about food , but that was merely an example.
a lot of things have been improved throughout the 21 century , but when it comes to food and nutrition , junk food and "chemical food" is more present than ever.
that's the advantage of the older generation people during their young age , they didn't have this rubbish food.
I am not saying that it is the direct cause , but its effect isn't negligible on well-being.
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So simple: all about genetics, if they don't have the balding gene, they can do whatever they want, and they retain all hair till death.
The problem is with people who inherited the hairloss gene: in their case, maybe some things(like avoiding excessive sexual activity, which is directly linked to hormones), can slow or delay balding.
Or perhaps not, but further research must be done in this area, because no one can deny that hairloss is connected deeply with hormones, so is sex.
So maybe sex is linked with hairloss, maybe not, we don't know for sure. We can't exclude it totally.
And about young people balding at younger ages than their fathers, this can have a simple explanation: take a look at the mother's side!
Maybe the father has some milder version of Androgenetic Alopecia gene, and lost hair later in life, but combined with the genes on mother's side, this can lead to a more aggresive form of male pattern baldness with earlier start, for the son. And yes, 30 years ago people had much healthier lifestyles i think, they did much sport, they did not stay in front of the computers all day and in that much electromagnetic garbage with radiation from 100 gadgets
(wireless networks, phones, GPS-es, etc)...They even didn't have 100000 pornongraphic sites to arouse them everyday... Maybe this can also impact the earlier expression of hair loss genes.
mr the hairy monkey
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all right then , if it is truly random about the excessive sex : "for SOME OF US" as in the title will suit perfectly , my father is in his mid 60's and it's hunky-dory for his hair , but his hair started to become white since his 40's , on the other side all my uncles from my mother's side haven't got any noticeable white hair until 60's , and their hair is very different (going from NW1 -> NW4)
so many things have changed since "the good old days" , I wish they didn't invent pornography and all those electromagnetic garbage , it will screw us up in the long term.
let's get back to the masturbation thing shall we , and what I have to say about it is : so far so good , one week without major hair-loss (although pretty much convinced it was because of the climate change due to my trip) , and quite frankly ..... after having masturbated I felt like I've committed a murder I really felt guilty.
serves me right , at least It'll give me an extra reason besides hair-loss for not wanking.
I thought Hank Moody is a sex addict. There are rumors David Duchovny had hair transplant or he is wearing hairpiece-.
It is not only p**rn. Younger generations have lower T-level than our ancestors had. Testosteron declines earlier in life, DHT kicks in in younger age.
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One more thing.. i dont think sex (with a girl) has as negative effect on hair as masturbation. Speaking from personal experience. The biochemical changes that body goes through when you are having sex differs from masturbation. We went throught this subject earlier in this thread.
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A Danish study conducted in 2007 found that the levels of testosterone and sex-hormone binding-globulin (SHBG) have been drastically decreased in men since the 1920’s [1]. The researchers found that men born in the 1920’s had higher levels of both testosterone and SHBG than men born in the 1960’s. This is highly relevant because low levels of testosterone and SHBG are strongly associated with metabolic-syndrome [2-4]. The authors state in the Danish study: "we speculate that the secular decline in testosterone serum levels could be secondary to the decline in SHBG levels". Which is consistent with other studies showing SHBG and testosterone have positive associations with one another [5-7].
The researches hypothesize the cause of this phenomenon: "large changes in lifestyle as well as the environment occurred in Denmark during the 20th century with a general significant increase in standard of life along with an increased industrialization" and: "it could be speculated that the observed secular decline in serum SHBG levels could be linked to increased incidence of obesity/metabolic syndrome in the later cohorts".
A 2007 conducted in America has found the same trend. They found that overall, testosterone levels in American men were about 20% higher in 1987 than in 2007, indicating a 1% loss of testosterone in males, per year, regardless of age [8]. The researchers hypothesize that: “Such a secular trend in T might be attributable to parallel population-level changes in the distribution of health and lifestyle factors, independent of age” and “We therefore hypothesize that the observed age-matched decline in serum testosterone is due to some undocumented historical or contemporary influence, health-related or environmental”.
A similar trend has been found with sperm-concentration. Sperm-counts have been steadily decreasing since the early part of the 1900’s [9-12].
So what are some factors that are causing low testosterone and low SHBG? My guess would be on high levels of estrogen, which suppress luteinizing-hormone (LH) secretion; a hormone responsible for testosterone-production and follicle-stimulating-hormone (FSH), which is a hormone responsible for sperm-production. Estrogen suppresses testosterone, which then leads to adverse metabolic effects. Studies using aromatase-inhibitors in men show that testosterone levels are drastically increased, along with LH and FSH, while estrogen concentrations decrease by about 50% [13-17]. Aromatase is the enzyme located in adipocytes (fat-cells), which converts androgens (like testosterone) into estrogens (like estradiol).
The western-diet (a diet high in animal-foods, processed-foods, fats and sugar) has been blamed for causing excess estrogen and low SHBG for a multitude of reasons [18-19].
The first reason being that the western-diet promotes obesity… since obese persons have excess aromatase-enzymes located in their adipose-tissue, hyper-conversion of androgens into estrogens is observed in obesity [6]. The high-fat/low-fiber component of the western-diet is a key promotor of excessive levels of estrogen. Dietary-fat seems to promote estrogen while dietary-fiber seems to lower estrogen [20-25].
The second reason seems to be the estrogen itself, located within dairy-products [26-27] and meat [28-29]. A Japanese study conducted in 2010 looked directly at hormone levels in men before and after drinking a pint of milk [30]. Milk consumption increased estrogen in men by about 29%, followed by a 18% decrease in testosterone, a 25% decrease in LH and a 7% decrease in FSH.
The third reason is that the western-diet lowers SHBG [18], which then increases the metabolic-clearance-rate (MCR) of testosterone [6].
The forth reason is dioxin/xenoestrogen exposure. Dioxins are industrial chemicals and environmental pollutants that are considered endocrine-disruptors or “gender-benders”. Dioxins are known for their estrogenic-effects and are antagonistic towards androgens. These xenoestrogens are fat-soluble and are highly attracted to fatty-tissues. For this reason, the main source of dioxins exposure in humans is consumption of animal-fat [31]. Fish seems to be the greatest contributor to dioxin exposure than any other food source, followed by, milk, beef, cheese, eggs, pork and poultry.
It is interesting to note how diet affects androgen and SHBG levels. A classic study by Longcope et al. [32] showed that SHBG was inversely associated with: body-weight, BMI, visceral-fat, excess calories, dietary-protein, dietary-fat (especially animal-fat) and alcohol. SHBG was positively associated with testosterone, age, carbohydrate and dietary-fiber. After multiple-regression analysis, foods high in dietary-protein (think meat, eggs and dairy-products) strongly decreased SHBG, while foods high in dietary-fiber (think vegetables, whole-grains and legumes) strongly increased SHBG. This finding by Longcope et al. explains why SHBG and testosterone has decreased in western-cultures since the beginning of the 1900’s. The evolution of the American diet, since the beginning of the 1900’s, now shows that Americans eat much more meat, cheese, ice-cream and total-fat and much less whole-grains since 1909 [33].The results of this finding by Longcope prove that in order to increase SHBG, we must consume less calories, less fat, less protein, less alcohol, we must lose excess body-fat (exercise) and eat more fiber (vegetables) and carbohydrates (whole-grains and legumes).
Another classic study by Rosner et al. found that men eating a diet rich in whole-grains had 23% and 33% higher concentrations of testosterone and SHBG compared to men eating a diet rich in meat [34]. And a study done on British men showed that vegan-men had about 15% higher SHBG and testosterone levels compared to men eating the standard western-diet [35].
The Danish researchers (in regards to the plummeting androgen levels in men) warn: "it is alarming that changes of this magnitude can be detected over such a relatively short time, evolutionarily speaking".
Cmon.. 2young2r?- the guy regrew his top/vertex. I've never seen regrow like this from nonpharmaceutical methods before! you cant denie that!
Dude, you're NW5 and you are "watching p**rn with my girlfriends"
On the scale from 1 to 10 how much stock do you think people put into your advice?
wrong again! some people stay NW2 or NW3. My father was receding in his 20s. Hair loss stoped at NW2- almost 40 years later still NW2. My friend is NW3 and he hasnt receded in almost 15 years. Its unpredictable monster.
hah..Not neceserally. At the momment my father has more hair than I have (better hairline- ****ing frustrating).. I want to regrow. You should know that its not safe to look upon your father or brother.. nothing is for sure in male pattern baldness
How do you now that, and who told you that?
hair transplant surgeons often say this to their patients, saying that meds will only slow it down etc. Then they take their words for it, making you come back for yet another surgery
Money talks.Yeah most peopl will become a NW5, but honestly who cares if you become a NW5 when you're 70
Diffuser44
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One can argue that fapping reduces stress, and that stress causes hair loss. So technically the more you fap the more hair you will have. Take that you bald nofappers!
Seriously why is this thread still going? This thing comes back more than Brett Favre.
Seriously why is this thread still going? This thing comes back more than Brett Favre.
As a matter of fact masturbation increases cortisol level.
Diffuser44
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I call bull**** on that claim. For every study you find proving that statement I will find 10 proving mine.
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I'm talking about moderate masturbation. If you are wanking it more than 2 times a day that doesn't count.
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I'm talking about moderate masturbation. If you are wanking it more than 2 times a day that doesn't count.
OK, do it:
1st:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/135817
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The plasma levels of all steroids were significantly increased after masturbation, whereas steroid levels remained unchanged in the control study. The most marked changes after masturbation were observed in pregnenolone and DHA levels.
... cortisol levels were significantly correlated to those of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione and oestron"
I'm waiting for 10 studies...