Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

Pls_NW-1

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Well if the short hair is 14 months ago that will be the before mate. The long hair is now, no temple lose anymore.. no hair lose anymore, hair line still need improvement.
Yeah, sry bud, couldn't identify cuz your temples looked different to each other in the after pics. Thanks!

I see on your regimen you use plenty of stuff, what do you use now and in which doses?
 

HelpMyHair!!

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To follow up on my previous post a bit, here's a question:

Has anybody tried to somehow increase aromatose, or supplement Estrogen ONLY without a 5ar blocker or AA to see what happens?
 

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Genetic factor. Hamilton's research says that the ones that did get pattern baldness from the testosterone supplement had family history.

dHT factor. Dht in high concentrations inhibits wnt. In medium concentrations maintains wnt.

Pattern factor. A single high glucose meal inhibits endothelial vascular function, and Enos, constricting both ways. Long term NO inhibition builds vascular smooth muscle, making vasodilation even less likely. AR upregulation disrupts glucose homeostasis, reinforcing vasoconstriction where dHT is accumulating. (Both from inflammation and disfunctional circulation). The pressure of scalp plus this vasoconstriction plus genetics starts to build a cycle.

(Can't be bothered detailing more sorry).

Working on recovering from it now, it's a challenge as to what is recoverable, and whether androgens are a problem if constant NO vasodilation is achieved.

I actually found abiraterone to be counter productive, and the common side effect of hypertension would support that.

This is EXACTLY the type of thinking I'm talking about. Would love to hear more when you are able!
 

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It makes 0 sense. I think if anything, the reason Finasteride/Dutasteride works or shows a slight improvement in some is because of the Estrogen increase, NOT the DHT suppression.
With castration, both T and E drop in you.And at the same time, you get a good result, thickening of the hair and an increase in density

To get moderate regrowth, it is enough not to increase estrogen, but to get rid of T and DHT, and this allows a combination of Bicalutamide and Finasteride. If the results obtained are not enough for you, you can add Estrogen, it will additionally stimulate the follicles
 

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Yeah, sry bud, couldn't identify cuz your temples looked different to each other in the after pics. Thanks!

I see on your regimen you use plenty of stuff, what do you use now and in which doses?

these results came from oral minoxidil and dust. I used 0.5 avodart(2/3yrs)and 10-40mg loniten for roughly 12 months.

I have only added in bic and E (2 months) for hairline.
 

Norwoody

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Great results! Oral minoxidil is underrated. It seems like those high doses really helped you regain density.
 

Rysteve93

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short hair was 14month ago. Dht was decimating my temples they have fully recovered I’m now recovering hairline(it’s slow)
(Short, shaved before long after) Just a density comparison before I couldn’t even grow long hair because of how thin and see through the temples were. Plus the wind would make the fluff that was left stand up and it looked awful.
 

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2TameDHT

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My reservations about monotherapy come from the fact that on trans forums, monotherapy with E2 pills is commonly seen as less effective. They usually suggest going with E2 injections instead of pills if one wants it to be more effective.
 

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My reservations about monotherapy come from the fact that on trans forums, monotherapy with E2 pills is commonly seen as less effective. They usually suggest going with E2 injections instead of pills if one wants it to be more effective.
I don't think that is correct but be that as it may, there are no studies indicating any form of estrogen ingestion to be more effective than others in terms of "results". Some people perceive psychological benefits at higher e2 levels but I am not sure that has been tested either. Some claim that CEE's might be more feminizing or better for breast growth but we have no studies there either.

One thing about people who inject is that they tend to understand the HRT process in general, much better and are alert to risks. Yes, there are better methods of ingestion than taking estrogen orally in terms of not being harsh to the liver. But patches work similarly to injections. Monotherapy works great for many people but what can happen is that a person cannot get their levels up high enough to reach adult female targets. So then adding spironolactone/cpa/bica can in essence trick the body into thinking estrogen levels are higher. But this is a method for people who want/need to hit targets quickly/sooner. I assume you are not trying to feminize so that is absent. MtF's also wish if possible to maximize breast growth so most protocols stated as being "better" are better in terms of breast growth allegedly.
 

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(Short, shaved before long after) Just a density comparison before I couldn’t even grow long hair because of how thin and see through the temples were. Plus the wind would make the fluff that was left stand up and it looked awful.
Great results - congrats! Did you grow a lot of body hair due to minoxidil? I'm on oral minoxidil and noticed a lot of new hair all over my body and face.
 

Rysteve93

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Great results - congrats! Did you grow a lot of body hair due to minoxidil? I'm on oral minoxidil and noticed a lot of new hair all over my body and face.
Yes mate, arms,hands,eyebrows,eye lashes ect. I feel 20mg although a high dose is where most of results were made. (Not saying anyone should take that much just me personally I felt ok at those dosages)
 

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I just used an iherb collage peptides one, and a collagen moisturiser lol.

can any one tell me the Pros and Cons of using 12mg cyproterone acetate along with 50mg bic, I’ve read they can’t be used together maybe the fight for the receptor? Liver toxicity.
 

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I just used an iherb collage peptides one, and a collagen moisturiser lol.

can any one tell me the Pros and Cons of using 12mg cyproterone acetate along with 50mg bic, I’ve read they can’t be used together maybe the fight for the receptor? Liver toxicity.
This is bad for the liver. I don’t think that makes sense, it’s better to increase the dosage of Bicalutamide to 75-100mg, as I did. For some reason, JacobWilliams did not achieve results using CPA with Bicalutamide. Perhaps they are in conflict - I don't know. I do not recommend experimenting
 
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