Yeah because Finasteride unstabilizes everything else, and in the frequent events where it doesn't even assist with treating the hairloss issue, people are just left with horrible side effects, and would have been far better off never touching Finasteride.
Why are people so against finasteride?
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Yeah because Finasteride unstabilizes everything else, and in the frequent events where it doesn't even assist with treating the hairloss issue, people are just left with horrible side effects, and would have been far better off never touching Finasteride.
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Why would I be butthurt exactly that doesn't even make sense?
you are the guy that posts you would be happy only losing your 10% hair at every 3 years and has developed a love of hair systems.
you are the one that's so buthurt that if anyone says they use 5-ARIs and gets results you have to attempt to ridicule their decisions.
I'm perfectly fine with what im doing and have no noticeable side effects so I couldn't careless how other people treat there own hair loss.
but keep up with your own cope and let me know how your hairs doing in a decades time.
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I can't comment on any horrible side effects as I have never experienced any. All I can do is report my own experience and what my own results have been.
Exactly my point.
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You have made this up................... there is no data or evidence to suggest finasteride usually starts to lose effectiveness after 2 years.
There's literally people who have had no results on Finasteride in a full 1 or 2 years and you're thinking it's hard to fathom people start to lose effectiveness after 2 years, heck theres people who respond positively to Finasteride but start to lose effectiveness much earlier than 1 or 2 years. I didn't say every single person won't see positive results on Finasteride past the 1 or 2 year point, but a large amount don't see long term effectiveness otherwise even pro-Finasteride users wouldn't be on this forum, yet here they are, in abundance.
Keep looking at falsely manipulated data to form your opinions. Like I said, if Finasteride were even remotely as effective as you think it is, the majority of users (what's that false figure Merck and pro-Finasteride studies like to throw around? Effective in 70 to 90% of people was it? LOL) then the majority of people suffering from hairloss would have good heads of hair and that is blatantly the furthest thing from the truth.
Literally just by looking around at your community, country, internationally, people on TV, hairloss has NOT slowed down, it actually appears to have increased, with Balding happening more aggressively much earlier in the younger generation than the older generations. So obviously those pro-Finasteride "studies" you consider evidence are extremely skewed.
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This is your exact quote, how do you quantify what large means? there is no data to back this up otherwise you would post it
if instead of the word large you actually mean say '' for some people after 2 years Finasteride starts to lose its effectiveness''
then why don't you just say that, you are adding the word's large and usually because you want to believe its an ineffective treatment for the majority people, like I said there is no data to back up what you are saying, the treatment doesn't work for everyone but your view of its effectiveness is skewed by your own disapproval of the treatment itself rather than the data available.
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Look at then end of the day, Im not going to get drawn into an argument on whether finasteride is an effective treatment for hair loss, its been on the market for almost 25 years now and is still effective for me after almost 22 years. The ship has sailed on this debate,
If you want to draw the conclusion that finasteride is largely an ineffective treatment for hair loss then be my guest, lets just agree to disagree on that point.
If you want to draw the conclusion that finasteride is largely an ineffective treatment for hair loss then be my guest, lets just agree to disagree on that point.
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Literally read my last response, I explained it perfectly, there's no need for some numbers on paper, that can be falsified to look far better than it is.
The real results are looking at the male population, it's definitely hasn't seen significant improvement in hairloss and Propecia has been FDA approved and on the market since 1999.
Stop trying to evade the real truth, the undeniable truth.
How do you get qualifications for on a subject and end up not having an understanding on it. How do you spend years treating with it and not have experience of it. It's so absurd. You expect me to believe that?
And after all the repeated flops I've seen from you guys... You expect me to believe that you have MORE knowledge? Ridiculous.
Oh sure, just trust randoms on the internet over an expert. Crazy.
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Ive just posed this exact same thing and you are still trying to argue with me?
''Look at the end of the day, Im not going to get drawn into an argument on whether finasteride is an effective treatment for hair loss, its been on the market for almost 25 years now and is still effective for me after almost 22 years. The ship has sailed on this debate,
If you want to draw the conclusion that finasteride is largely an ineffective treatment for hair loss then be my guest, lets just agree to disagree on that point.''
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It was approved in 1997 not 1999
Dude, do you know how many medical professionals they are that aren't good doctors? Do you know how much easier it is to pass medicine than many other degrees? Entrance requirements for university in medicine is pretty high yes that I'll admit, but passing is relatively easy compared to other degrees like Engineering, Computer Science, Acturial Science, etc.
In many countries, due to syllabus of medicine being so large, you don't get tested on the entire years work, rather you learn a section, get tested on it, then move onto another section that often does not require prior knowledge of the previous sections passed.
Passing a test and being good practically are two completely different things.
A Dermatologists job is easy, because they usually just prescribe whatever is FDA approved and get a basic knowledge of the drug/sickness/treatment without digging too much into many into studies or much conflicting studies.
Very few care to update their knowledge regularly. Many are complacent, and the fact that you said your doctor said something as ABSURD as it not having a possibility of infertility when using Finasteride just shows how clueless they are. Even pro-Finasteride people know it's a possibility.
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Typographical error on my side, but that's like correcting grammar in a discussion, regardless, that makes the case of Finasteride even worse having been around that long and not having any significant impact on on the male populations hair, based ON SIGHT and real testimony instead of numbers on a page that can easily be falsely manipulated.
Sure.
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ok, we almost made some progress.
It shouldn't be this hard to get the study that they're talking about.
It's a major red flag, DUDE...
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Ok, Now we have agreed to disagree on the ''finasteride doesn't work'' point.
can we just clear up this other issue as we keep going round on circles at the moment.
Going back to your own hair loss timeline that looks something like this if I am not mistaken:
1 year Minoxidil + Microneedling + 2 years finasteride use followed by 3 year break of no treatments.
so in total you have a miniscule 3 years of treatment use.
Can you please explain how any of that experience can place you in a position to give advice to somebody that has been on treatments consistently for 27 years?
And how can I convert any of the knowledge you have learned and use it to improve my own personal situation?......
Because the only answer I can find is I can't, there is nothing you can share with me, that can effect or improve my case moving forward as you just don't have the experience or knowledge maintaining hair for any length of time.
that is the point i have made several times, but you still want to keep trying to tell me that we are somehow of equal experience in this subject and that there is advice you can give me.
can we agree on this also and move forward?
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"Wholistic" or "holistic" encompasses a swath of quackery. Which would explain why you'd so fervently believe the propaganda on finasteride. Both require a low standard of evidence.
Can you stop pretending that experts don't know anything? Or that you know more than an expert? We both know it's not possible to substantiate that nonsense.
It could be projection.
They could be upset that people point out all the holes in what they're saying.
So they then think others are also upset when they post nonsense.
It's possible.