What Will Be The Price Of Tsuji Treatment

[Omega2327]

I thought he stated it would be $35,00-$60,000 depending on Norwood.

Noooo he has never said a prIce. That's just a random estimate someone came up with.

 

[NorwoodGuardian]

A good hair transplant usually costs around 20,000. So I guess Tsuji will be around its double. I think few ppl will pay 60,000 for this.

 

[Jonnyyy]

A good hair transplant usually costs around 20,000. So I guess Tsuji will be around its double. I think few ppl will pay 60,000 for this.

I'd pay double that, probably because I'm 19 and this sh*t is traumatizing, I don't care what anybody says this sh*t is a disease and needs to be taken care of.

 

[Endmymisery]

The price for this is nothing compared to other things such as cancer treatments, the new cancer treatment can cost more than $300,000.
I think the most this treatment can go for is around 60-80k, which someone living in a first world country can probably save up in 2-3 years

 

[Jonnyyy]

The price for this is nothing compared to other things such as cancer treatments, the new cancer treatment can cost more than $300,000.
I think the most this treatment can go for is around 60-80k, which someone living in a first world country can probably save up in 2-3 years

Exactly true, one of my teachers a few years back had to pay her husbands cancer treatments which amounted to over 100,000 in a year or so, and teachers don't make sh*t, so if this really upsets us we can afford it.

 

[RoyMunsonned]

Has anyone got a link to the most up-to-date thread/webpage/publication on this Tsuji treatment, i.e. the milestones he's reached so far in developing this treatment and which (scientific) challenges are still to be overcome?

I find it interesting that people are discussing cost and release dates when, as far as I'm aware, a functioning human follicle has not yet been generated by his proposed method (which, if I'm not mistaken, essentially amounts to putting two types of cell together and waiting for them to work their magic?)

 

[Jonnyyy]

Has anyone got a link to the most up-to-date thread/webpage/publication on this Tsuji treatment, i.e. the milestones he's reached so far in developing this treatment and which (scientific) challenges are still to be overcome?

I find it interesting that people are discussing cost and release dates when, as far as I'm aware, a functioning human follicle has not yet been generated by his proposed method (which, if I'm not mistaken, essentially amounts to putting two types of cell together and waiting for them to work their magic?)

I don't think he has any barriers right now, everything so far works perfectly they're just waiting on the required machinery to be able to start clinical trials, I'm sure now they're doing random simulations on things that could happen and solving them. I might be completely wrong though that's what I've gotten from these forums.

 

[vernon]

I don't think he has any barriers right now, everything so far works perfectly they're just waiting on the required machinery to be able to start clinical trials, I'm sure now they're doing random simulations on things that could happen and solving them. I might be completely wrong though that's what I've gotten from these forums.

I m sure you are in a position to make these claims

 

[Jonnyyy]

I m sure you are in a position to make these claims

You should probably read the last part I stated.

 

[mr_robot]

I don't think he has any barriers right now, everything so far works perfectly they're just waiting on the required machinery to be able to start clinical trials, I'm sure now they're doing random simulations on things that could happen and solving them. I might be completely wrong though that's what I've gotten from these forums.

That's unfortunately not the case, if you read the interview there is one more step they have to figure out before they can go to clinical trials which they are are aiming for 2018. They do not need machinery for this as the number of participants is likely to be low.

The initial cost will be high simply because everything will be done manually, for example extracting the dp cells from the donor follicles for 30 hairs would take five hours if you allow for ten minutes per follicle. Over time the overall process will become automated and economies of scale will result in a lower price. There is already a paper by dr clair higgins that describes how DP could be extracted in an automated fashion.

$50,000 is not an unrealistic price for the first customers going towards $10,000 after 3-5 years.

 

[Spanishboy97]

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You should probably read the last part I stated.

Well maybe you shouldn't comment if you are not going to add anything new. Just saying

 

[vernon]

You should probably read the last part I stated.

its really self-evident that you might be wrong. whats the point of giving statements like "everything works perfectly" when you have absolutely no idea whats going on over there? 5 people will read that post and parrot it on some other place until it becomes "common knowledge", and then everyone will be shocked when the project fails or gets delayed.

 

[Jack Ito]

It would be extremely silly to throw your money at tsuji during its release. The procedure is going to be stupidly priced and should only be used if it's a necessity, I can already tell it's going to cost the same price of a mortgage. If you have the option to hold off using finasteride then do it, you'll save tens of thousands in the process. Anyway Tsuji will eventually become cheaper, why? Because it's likely going to be extremely successful to the point where they choose to expand their business globally. This will give us a choice of location making things more affordable, only slightly but still.. we then have the fact that within the first year, everything is commercialised.. just like when you buy a game from the store during its release, it's overpriced and high in demand. What happens to that game? The price begins to steadily fall after a few weeks. Now I'm not saying that tsuji will start price reductions after a few weeks, it will likely take a quinquennial up to a decade. However they're going to be looking to drain the pockets of individuals after their initial trials. The first thing on their mind is going to be making $$$ to expand. Once they have that money they'll change their priority to finding a bigger customer base resulting in price reductions.

 

[Omega2327]

That's unfortunately not the case, if you read the interview there is one more step they have to figure out before they can go to clinical trials which they are are aiming for 2018.

If you're talking about the cultivation of epithelial stem cells, they most certainly have solved this problem already.

 

[Omega2327]

It would be extremely silly to throw your money at tsuji during its release. The procedure is going to be stupidly priced and should only be used if it's a necessity, I can already tell it's going to cost the same price of a mortgage. If you have the option to hold off using finasteride then do it, you'll save tens of thousands in the process. Anyway Tsuji will eventually become cheaper, why? Because it's likely going to be extremely successful to the point where they choose to expand their business globally. This will give us a choice of location making things more affordable, only slightly but still.. we then have the fact that within the first year, everything is commercialised.. just like when you buy a game from the store during its release, it's overpriced and high in demand. What happens to that game? The price begins to steadily fall after a few weeks. Now I'm not saying that tsuji will start price reductions after a few weeks, it will likely take a quinquennial up to a decade. However they're going to be looking to drain the pockets of individuals after their initial trials. The first thing on their mind is going to be making $$$ to expand. Once they have that money they'll change their priority to finding a bigger customer base resulting in price reductions.

Lol dude the only thing that's silly is you indirectly telling people what they should/shouldn't spend their money on. It's not "silly" at all for someone to want to cure themselves and end this nightmare once and for all, even if it costs them a pretty penny in buying Tsuji's treatment upon release. For a lot of people, it means getting their life back. Can't really put a price on that, can you...

 

[vernon]

It would be extremely silly to throw your money at tsuji during its release. The procedure is going to be stupidly priced and should only be used if it's a necessity, I can already tell it's going to cost the same price of a mortgage. If you have the option to hold off using finasteride then do it, you'll save tens of thousands in the process. Anyway Tsuji will eventually become cheaper, why? Because it's likely going to be extremely successful to the point where they choose to expand their business globally. This will give us a choice of location making things more affordable, only slightly but still.. we then have the fact that within the first year, everything is commercialised.. just like when you buy a game from the store during its release, it's overpriced and high in demand. What happens to that game? The price begins to steadily fall after a few weeks. Now I'm not saying that tsuji will start price reductions after a few weeks, it will likely take a quinquennial up to a decade. However they're going to be looking to drain the pockets of individuals after their initial trials. The first thing on their mind is going to be making $$$ to expand. Once they have that money they'll change their priority to finding a bigger customer base resulting in price reductions.

I agree about it spreading fast

also, if it turns out that there arent scientific hurdles in the process, it just means other institutes around the world will come up with it the science and tech behind it within a couple of years independently. it would not be some obscure product made for a specific market by an unknown private company, but a breakthrough in medicine which might pave way for organ cloning and other advancements in general + for which there would be a huge interest everywhere

 

[Sworthyy]

I am hoping for the best for this treatment..... but does anyone know what the quality of the hair will be like ? I mean when I see men with hair transplants the hair just looks stuck on

Does anyone know what to expect from this future treatmant

 

[hanginginthewire]

The new "Italian lotion to hit the market...." thread.

 

[mr_robot]

If you're talking about the cultivation of epithelial stem cells, they most certainly have solved this problem already.

Keiko: Question 4: Thus far in your research, have you been able to attain an unlimited number of cells from a single biopsy? If not, what is the maximum number of total cells that can be amplified from the donor sample? How many new follicles would this typically result in?

Mr. Toyoshima: This is a great question. Generally speaking, it is said that there is a limit to stem cell proliferation. It is generally known that the stem cell function is lost with proliferation, therefore yes, there is limit to stem cell proliferation. In case of human follicular papilla cells having the function as the mesenchymal stem cells, the stems cells can be multiplied by several thousands of times in 3 weeks when we use our technologies. On the other hand, as for the epithelial stem cells, as I mentioned earlier we are still in research for this, therefore there is only a small number of human cases. Consequently, an accurate value for this case is yet to be determined in the near future. However, collectively from these researches, we think that we may be increase follicles at least by about 1,000 times.

 

[mr_robot]

I agree about it spreading fast

also, if it turns out that there arent scientific hurdles in the process, it just means other institutes around the world will come up with it the science and tech behind it within a couple of years independently. it would not be some obscure product made for a specific market by an unknown private company, but a breakthrough in medicine which might pave way for organ cloning and other advancements in general + for which there would be a huge interest everywhere

Not if it is patented.