Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

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I appreciate the link. It will be interesting to take all this info in and see what conclusion I draw. Seems like Follica supports a shorter needle length
Follica is the company that is in clinical trials for microneedling. They use a shorter needle length than the Dhurat study because they use an electric pen device rather than a manual derma roller. The manual roller was only used with moderate pressure in the Dhurat study which means the needles didn't penetrate the full 1.5mm, but with the motorized pen devices the needle penetrates all the way. Follica tested many different ways to wound and this was worked best in their testing. Personally I think following their protocol worked better for me than anything else.
 

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Follica is the company that is in clinical trials for microneedling. They use a shorter needle length than the Dhurat study because they use an electric pen device rather than a manual derma roller. The manual roller was only used with moderate pressure in the Dhurat study which means the needles didn't penetrate the full 1.5mm, but with the motorized pen devices the needle penetrates all the way. Follica tested many different ways to wound and this was worked best in their testing. Personally I think following their protocol worked better for me than anything else.
You needle at 1mm or 0.75mm? Thanks.
 

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IIRC Follica's intention is 0.8mm depth. But at depths that small it's getting into the realm of individual differences. How thick your skin is, how much your existing hair thickness is getting in the way, etc.


Follica's protocol is 1600 needle holes per cm2. That density is so high that the skin is basically all damaged. I wouldn't worry about getting precisely 1600. Just aim for something around that, maybe more, and have at it.

Imagine if their instructions were to shoot 10 bullet holes into a credit card. You wouldn't get too picky about whether you hit it with 8 or 12 shots. It's pretty clear they just want you to shoot the card until it's destroyed.
 
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I’ve been going a bit deeper lately, 1.25mm, but I will go back to 1mm.
I had a professional microneedling session done to my face yesterday, and when the woman looked at my scalp she said that my skin had not entirely healed yet from when I microneedled almost two weeks ago. She stressed the importance of letting your skin fully heal before you start disrupting it again, and she thought it’s not necessary to go deeper than 1mm.

Funny thing: I have been getting remarks about my hair colour lately - that the colour is richer and warmer than before. Three different people have complimented me on it and think that I am dying it a different colour. I dye my hair to give it more volume, but have not changed the colour. So it must be that my hair texture has changed, and that the hair is taking up the dye differently.
 

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Anyone following the Follica Protocol?

1mm every 2 weeks, 1600~ strikes per square centimeter?
Kind of. I haven't done any math to know the rough movement speed I should be doing at my pen's frequency but I use a length between 0.75mm and 1mm and aim for wound density.

I think most people who needle do this protocol now as it's the only one that a company has invested millions into and is trying to monetize.
 

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I'm just trying to understand it, Dr Pen's lowest settings (A6, A7, M8) is like 8000 or so rpms which equates to 133 oscillations, correct?

If we are using 12 needle cartridges thats 12 x 133 = 1596 strikes per second. So we move about 1 cm per second.

The article summary of the article, given by benjt2, says to move 2 cm per second.

So if I have the oscillations conversion from RPM correct, then if we have a 12pin Dr Pen on a setting of 8000 RPM then we should aim for between 1-2 seconds per cm and then we are following the protocol fairly well, correct?
 

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Ahh, I forgot to mention the article prefers 2 passes, so thats why you can do 1 pass at 1cm/sec or 2 passes at 2cm/s.
 

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And how does the forum feel about 1.0mm?

Previous studies done showed 1.5mm, it was also the magic number that everyone used to go by.

How do we feel about it now compared to 1.0mm?
 

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And how does the forum feel about 1.0mm?

Previous studies done showed 1.5mm, it was also the magic number that everyone used to go by.

How do we feel about it now compared to 1.0mm?

In the Dhurat study they used a 1.5mm derma roller. Follica used a needling device set at a depth of 1mm.
 

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I just got my M8 today.

Took my photos and then used the pen.

Went 1mm, 2 passes. Trying to replicate Follica's Protocol. once, every 2 weeks.
 

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I set my pen to lowest speed which is still 8000 rpm. I am using 16 needles instead of 12. I think that should be ok.
 

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What are the settings for using a derpamen (Dr. Pen) on our face?

0.5mm? 0.75?
I had my face microneedled by a professional last week and she used different settings for different areas. She started at 0.25, and went deeper if my skin did not react. She ended up doing 0.50 for most areas. My face looked very sunburnt afterwards. When I got back home my boss called me via Teams and I could not turn on the camera :)
 

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What are the settings for using a derpamen (Dr. Pen) on our face?

0.5mm? 0.75?

Years ago i used a 1.5mm manual stamp once a month for forehead lines and they were completely gone within 6 months, they are just now starting to come back, so i started again only this time with a dr pen and not a manual stamp. The results in regards to wrinkles last years and years from my experience.
 

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Years ago i used a 1.5mm manual stamp once a month for forehead lines and they were completely gone within 6 months, they are just now starting to come back, so i started again only this time with a dr pen and not a manual stamp. The results in regards to wrinkles last years and years from my experience.
How long did it take to see results?
 
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