Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

CastorTroy

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Someone mentioned the betadine connection with dermarolling and it seems by researching the post some of the best results including the studies had applying betadine before dermarolling
Also looking at all the studies with white iodine including anecdotal for hair regrowth,
Could this be the missing link we are not considering enough?
I will be starting applying betadine liberally before dermarolling now and we will see
 

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Is estradiol meant to be alfatradiol here? Than I will also not neglect the regrowth from it, apart from minoxidil and microneedling.
One can't transition on alfatradiol so, no, it's estradiol. Topical alfatradiol could be an alternative though how effective it would be is questionable.

Someone mentioned the betadine connection with dermarolling and it seems by researching the post some of the best results including the studies had applying betadine before dermarolling
Also looking at all the studies with white iodine including anecdotal for hair regrowth,
Could this be the missing link we are not considering enough?
I will be starting applying betadine liberally before dermarolling now and we will see
I used a betadine type topical the period with most improvement. Will try it again for some months.
 

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One can't transition on alfatradiol so, no, it's estradiol. Topical alfatradiol could be an alternative though how effective it would be is questionable.


I used a betadine type topical the period with most improvement. Will try it again for some months.
Did you use betadine before or after rolling?
 

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Hello people, it's me @chen again. I haven't posted anything in a while. But today reading the reports I decided to post again. These photos are new, I took this very moment. Galaxy note 10 plus phone. The lighting is very strong. The protocol is the same. I haven't changed anything. I am recovering the front line but unfortunately it will take longer than I imagined, maybe 2 or 3 years to recover the entire front line. It is. Good night to all and good recovery.
 

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Hello people, it's me @chen again. I haven't posted anything in a while. But today reading the reports I decided to post again. These photos are new, I took this very moment. Galaxy note 10 plus phone. The lighting is very strong. The protocol is the same. I haven't changed anything. I am recovering the front line but unfortunately it will take longer than I imagined, maybe 2 or 3 years to recover the entire front line. It is. Good night to all and good recovery.

Thank you Chen. You're protocol is to needle daily at 1mm correct? Also applying minoxidil everyday
 

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Hello people, it's me @chen again. I haven't posted anything in a while. But today reading the reports I decided to post again. These photos are new, I took this very moment. Galaxy note 10 plus phone. The lighting is very strong. The protocol is the same. I haven't changed anything. I am recovering the front line but unfortunately it will take longer than I imagined, maybe 2 or 3 years to recover the entire front line. It is. Good night to all and good recovery.

The legend has returned lol great progress chen, as spring asked, your routine still rolling with 1mm daily before applying minoxidil?
 

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New study about needle depth

Abstract​


Background: Microneedling has shown to have positive therapeutic effects in treatment of androgenetic alopecia (Androgenetic Alopecia); however, the best microneedling protocol is still controversial.​

Aims: Investigating effect of microneedling with 2 different depths of penetration on promoting hair growth in patients with Androgenetic Alopecia.​

Methods: Sixty patients, in the age of 18-45 years old with moderate and severe Androgenetic Alopecia, were allocated into 3 groups of control: treatment with minoxidil 5% lotion; group A: treatment with minoxidil 5% lotion and biweekly microneedling with a depth of 1.2 mm and group B: treatment with minoxidil 5% lotion and biweekly microneedling with a depth of 0.6 mm during 12 weeks. Efficacy parameters including change of hair count and hair thickness from baseline and assessment of hair growth by patient and investigator were evaluated.​

Results: Compared with the baseline, a significant increase in hair count and hair thickness was observed in all three groups after completion of the treatment course (P < .05). The mean rise in hair count (P = .017) and hair thickness (P = .007) was significantly greater in group B compared with control group. Investigator's evaluation of hair regrowth was significantly greater in group A (P = .04) and group B (P = .007) compared with control group.​

Conclusion: Microneedling with a depth of 0.6 mm in combination with minoxidil is more effective than minoxidil monotherapy in patients with Androgenetic Alopecia in terms of hair count and hair thickness. This depth of penetration tended to be more beneficial than depth of 1.2 mm.​

 

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This study has been discussed in this thread before. I remember because I purchased it from Wiley :)
The full article was posted here.
 

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So I have been micro needling for 3 years now, initially I experienced some regrowth but that tailed of pretty soon after starting. However, I do believe that it had played an important role in maintaining my hair/keeping it healthy, hence my reason for keeping it up. My routine had been microneedling with a 1.5mm dermastamp 1-2times a week.

Recently I got pretty sick of my dermastamps breaking pretty soon after purchasing them (from Amazon), the final straw was when the needles on my new stamp detached from its body the first use. Hence, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase a Dr.Pen A6 and change my routine to microneedling once a week at 1.5mm depth.

Previously when manually dermastamping I would very rarely get visible blood, the areas would get red but this would last no longer than a day. Since using the A6 my scalp bleeds wherever I pass with the pen, it is also significantly more painful. I'm not sure whether this is due to the pen tearing the skin more due to moving it whilst its going up and down and this motion causing micro tears, or whether it generally penetrates a lot deeper/creates more incisions per cm2 . Now my scalp remains visibly red and sore 2days after my sessions.

Now for the reason of this post... I am roughly 1 month into my new routine (3 sessions) and genuinely my hair has been feeling a lot thicker and generally healthier. I took some progress pictures and it even looks thicker, but I think this may be due to the difference in lighting rather than actual regrowth as it has not even been a month. There is no doubt however that I prefer mechanical needling to manually doing it, although I am doubtful whether the A6 is creating clean incisions rather than microtears.

Edit - forgot to mention picture 1 is before recent change in routine, picture 2 is 1 month in (current)
 

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Results are undeniable and it came it weeks!

You answered your own question; you stopped seeing results because the derma stamps didn't cause enough 'damage'.
 
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