Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

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You are an exception. More people than not had success with betadine. Even the dude from the foreign language forum who was rolling hard uses it

I doubt that. It's not mentioned anywhere in the Chinese study and I'd be very surprised if the majority of people who have seen results were using betadine.
 

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Is betadine not just a disinfectant

Yes. From a very quick read, iodine deficiency can cause hair loss so getting idioine in betadine would perhaps help people with an iodine deficiency but I don't think betadine has much to do with the efficacy of microneedling + minoxidil for the average person.
 

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Yes. From a very quick read, iodine deficiency can cause hair loss so getting idioine in betadine would perhaps help people with an iodine deficiency but I don't think betadine has much to do with the efficacy of microneedling + minoxidil for the average person.

I agree.... It doesn't have anything to do with Microneedling and minoxidil directly. But indirectly it gets absorbed in the scalp for iodine deficiency.

It's just another possible angle for some to tackle their possible hair loss if that's their reason. We shouldn't discredit it. We could all be experiencing hair loss for different reasons, so we should tackle all angles.

Scientifically, iodine helps hair regrowth.

It may not have been necessary for you, but possibly for others. It takes 1 minute to cover your scalp in it during and after rolling. Plus it's a good safety measure.

I encourage EVERYONE to add it to their regimen in addition to sanitizing their rollers with isopropyl alcohol
 

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2 months in, no resluts yet. Definitely not planning to give up any time soon...

This whole betadine thing could be true. I thought about this some weeks ago, after I saw that the 2young guy used it to and he had the best results. But I wasn't aware that it also was used in the study. ImI thinking about adding it
 

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2 months in, no resluts yet. Definitely not planning to give up any time soon...

This whole betadine thing could be true. I thought about this some weeks ago, after I saw that the 2young guy used it to and he had the best results. But I wasn't aware that it also was used in the study. ImI thinking about adding it


What Norwood are you at ?
 

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I agree.... It doesn't have anything to do with Microneedling and minoxidil directly. But indirectly it gets absorbed in the scalp for iodine deficiency.

It's just another possible angle for some to tackle their possible hair loss if that's their reason. We shouldn't discredit it. We could all be experiencing hair loss for different reasons, so we should tackle all angles.

Scientifically, iodine helps hair regrowth.

It may not have been necessary for you, but possibly for others. It takes 1 minute to cover your scalp in it during and after rolling. Plus it's a good safety measure.

I encourage EVERYONE to add it to their regimen in addition to sanitizing their rollers with isopropyl alcohol

Yeh, it certainly can't do any harm to add it in. Hair regrowth aside, it's probably good practice to use it before dermarolling.
 

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I needled with iodine this morning. Applied it right before with a dropper, let it dry (about 5 minutes) then punctured away. Also needled my face and neck today so I applied to that area as well.

Was kind of a pain in the *** to be honest. It ran everywhere and stains the sink and everything else it touches. That being said, I'll probably use it until my supply runs out. If it jump starts something then I'll re-up. If not, it goes to the boneyard with the rest of them.

I'm wondering iodine acts to accelerate the healing process and THAT is when you can get amazing gains? Isn't that what Follica was producing, some type of wound healing solution in conjunction with a needling device? I did just get back from the gym so some broscience thinking may have rubbed off on me.
 

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@benjt2 - Yep, indeed. There is the science behind the studies at least.

Hopefully more people have results from microneedling alone, or that were minoxidil non-responders prior to needling. There are a few out there from accounts on this thread.

It's been said before ... this community trial won't have the best data to go off of sadly. Everyone has such different regimens, also changing things up as they go. Hopefully some folks turn up with the results you want to see from the regimens that are meaningful to you.
 

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But, you can't just apply rosemary oil on to the scalp. It would burn and also it is suggested that a carrier should be used with rosemary mainly because of that. I'm afraid that water also can't be used as Essential oils don't mix well with water. And for daily use I can't use other oils as a vehicle. Thus, I thought I may make DIY rosemary oil topical using alcohol

I put rosemary oil on my scalp immediately after needling and it doesn't burn

Hi guys,

whats the current status? How does this work in terms of maintance and regrowth apart from the guy in the first post?

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...s-from-tressless.117746/page-377#post-1773837
 

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Don't waste your time with rosemary oil, it's not worth it.
Well I already bought a big bottle but it hasn't done anything for me as far as I can tell
 

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Hey guys, I've been following this thread for a while, this microneedling stuff is quite an exciting development. I've only needled 3 times over the past 4 months but I may increase the frequency to every 2-3 weeks. I've already seen some results with little clumps of 10 or so dark new hairs appearing on my temples a cm or so in front of my hairline. The rest of my hair seems to be thickening slightly too.

I know I'm still in the very early stages but I feel good about this because this is a treatment where results seem to compound and increase over time. I'm like a NW3 or 4, 26 years old so I had basically given up on trying to treat hair loss. Didn't want to take finasteride and minoxidil didn't really seem worth it to me but needling is something I'm willing to get on board with. I buzz my hair on the shortest setting so it's pretty easy to needle thoroughly. I've never used minoxidil or finasteride or any topicals other than nizoral shampoo. Just microneedling once a month or so with the 1.5 mm setting on a derma pen, medium speed. I've also been using the pen on my face for some acne scarring and I'm seeing positive results with that as well. The first couple times I used the pen I found it very painful, especially on the scalp, but in my session last week I was able to tolerate it much better. I've been doing some light scalp massages as well.

Anyway just wanted to check in, I haven't seen too many people doing the needling only route without any minoxidil so I wanted to share. Hopefully I'll have more positive results in the future and some progress pics to post.
 

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Hey guys, I've been following this thread for a while, this microneedling stuff is quite an exciting development. I've only needled 3 times over the past 4 months but I may increase the frequency to every 2-3 weeks. I've already seen some results with little clumps of 10 or so dark new hairs appearing on my temples a cm or so in front of my hairline. The rest of my hair seems to be thickening slightly too.

I know I'm still in the very early stages but I feel good about this because this is a treatment where results seem to compound and increase over time. I'm like a NW3 or 4, 26 years old so I had basically given up on trying to treat hair loss. Didn't want to take finasteride and minoxidil didn't really seem worth it to me but needling is something I'm willing to get on board with. I buzz my hair on the shortest setting so it's pretty easy to needle thoroughly. I've never used minoxidil or finasteride or any topicals other than nizoral shampoo. Just microneedling once a month or so with the 1.5 mm setting on a derma pen, medium speed. I've also been using the pen on my face for some acne scarring and I'm seeing positive results with that as well. The first couple times I used the pen I found it very painful, especially on the scalp, but in my session last week I was able to tolerate it much better. I've been doing some light scalp massages as well.

Anyway just wanted to check in, I haven't seen too many people doing the needling only route without any minoxidil so I wanted to share. Hopefully I'll have more positive results in the future and some progress pics to post.

Be real you just wanted to show off that name

...it is pretty good
 

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@benjt2 - Yep, indeed. There is the science behind the studies at least.
What actually worries me a bit about the studies are two things:
  • The discrepancy between the responder rate in the studies and here. Yes, some people here report results, but also many report having none whatsoever (myself included). This kind of discrepancy is very hard to explain away.
  • The journal the Indian study was published in. While dermatology is not my field, I used to work in academia for a couple of years and Indian journals are well known to be full of BS and scams. The journal that the Indian study was published in has rather low rankings and describes itself as follows: "The International Journal of Trichology (IJT) is the official peer-reviewed journal of the Hair Research Society of India." I'm wondering what the quality of this journal actually is and if it's maybe one of these typical Indian low quality journals or not. If the data has been tampered or exaggerated this would also explain the discrepancy in response rates.
 

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  • The journal the Indian study was published in. While dermatology is not my field, I used to work in academia for a couple of years and Indian journals are well known to be full of BS and scams. The journal that the Indian study was published in has rather low rankings and describes itself as follows: "The International Journal of Trichology (IJT) is the official peer-reviewed journal of the Hair Research Society of India." I'm wondering what the quality of this journal actually is and if it's maybe one of these typical Indian low quality journals or not. If the data has been tampered or exaggerated this would also explain the discrepancy in response rates.

The author of the Journal is an advisor of Follica.. I don’t know what to make of it though. Is Follica just being desperate? Or do they truly see something ground breaking in her research.

Another question that may be worth considering is that the participants were of Indian decent.. maybe they have different version of Baldness.
 

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I agree.... It doesn't have anything to do with Microneedling and minoxidil directly. But indirectly it gets absorbed in the scalp for iodine deficiency.

It's just another possible angle for some to tackle their possible hair loss if that's their reason. We shouldn't discredit it. We could all be experiencing hair loss for different reasons, so we should tackle all angles.

Scientifically, iodine helps hair regrowth.

It may not have been necessary for you, but possibly for others. It takes 1 minute to cover your scalp in it during and after rolling. Plus it's a good safety measure.

I encourage EVERYONE to add it to their regimen in addition to sanitizing their rollers with isopropyl alcohol

I agree.... It doesn't have anything to do with Microneedling and minoxidil directly. But indirectly it gets absorbed in the scalp for iodine deficiency.

It's just another possible angle for some to tackle their possible hair loss if that's their reason. We shouldn't discredit it. We could all be experiencing hair loss for different reasons, so we should tackle all angles.

Scientifically, iodine helps hair regrowth.

It may not have been necessary for you, but possibly for others. It takes 1 minute to cover your scalp in it during and after rolling. Plus it's a good safety measure.

I encourage EVERYONE to add it to their regimen in addition to sanitizing their rollers with isopropyl alcohol

Which format of betadine? there's shampoo, soap, and I think liquid

I would buy the shampoo, leave it 5 minutes, dry my hair, derminator 2 all over, then the soap? but if there's blood, I would need to take another shower, then dry the scalp, shampoo it again, then apply the soap and leave it on there? or perhaps liquid, who knows. There's also gel. I don't know which format to use. Soap or gel may be too sticky and cluter the movement of the needle? or it's strong enough that it doesn't matter?

What worries me: Taking a shower right after using the derminator: Im concerned that there's sh*t on my bathroom like mold spores, and other crap typical in humid environments like a bathroom, going into my head. Lime on the shower, and so on.

Using the dryier makes all those particles fly all over the place.

I just don't f*****g know how to go about it. I would need an environment similar to surgeon's to not be concerned about infections.
 
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