Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

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Well, hope you succeed in your journey. It's not an easy one
Yeah but it's worthwhile and fulfilling. I mean, how many people do this? Become another person or take a do-over at mid-life. It's just hard getting people to understand because it is the dual personality aspect that is difficult for me. Rather than have a dead name, I love both of my alter-egos pretty much equally and they of course blend much of the time, like who is writing this Jane or the increasingly androgynous person.
 

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I started 2.5 years ago formal HRT at 54.
Sorry if that sounded rude/whiny. I'm just really upset at myself for not starting earlier... I thought you were younger, look good for your age, bless estrogen
Well, hope you succeed in your journey. It's not an easy one
Thank you, you too.
I just need my hair to thicken up but since I don't want to use minoxidil (no topical cause I already have terrible dark bags under eyes and I don't want to make them worse, no oral cause I reaaaaaaally don't want any more body hair) I feel like it's unlikely for full recovery. Even more so since the last few months there has been almost no change
 

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Sorry if that sounded rude/whiny. I'm just really upset at myself for not starting earlier... I thought you were younger, look good for your age, bless estrogen

Thank you, you too.
I just need my hair to thicken up but since I don't want to use minoxidil (no topical cause I already have terrible dark bags under eyes and I don't want to make them worse, no oral cause I reaaaaaaally don't want any more body hair) I feel like it's unlikely for full recovery. Even more so since the last few months there has been almost no change
I still look better in my wig as a female and I love it and I loved wearing it. There's no stigma in looking good and even cis-gals have hair issues in their fifties. I didn't see that as whining. It's a very common emotion for people who end up liking this or who have identified differently from childhood to regret the missed years but as you said, estrogen rejuvenates so in a sense, much less of that time has been lost. My gender and my hair are all wrapped up together and it's hard to disentangle that. If you could have a full head of hair Jane but you had to be male, would you take it. "Yes!". If you could have a full head of hair Jane but you had to be female, would you take it, "Yes!". Well, of those two options, only one offered hair.

With so many non-binary folks now, MtF can be nothing more than a directional marker which helps us find others similarly situated. So @bridgeburn was an MtF in that sense and so is any other XY going in that direction.
 
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I still look better in my wig as a female and I love it and I loved wearing it. There's no stigma in looking good and even cis-gals have hair issues in their fifties. I didn't see that as whining. It's a very common emotion for people who end up liking this or who have identified differently from childhood to regret the missed years but as you said, estrogen rejuvenates so in a sense, much less of that time has been lost. My gender and my hair are all wrapped up together and it's hard to disentangle that. If you could have a full head of hair Jane but you had to be male, would you take it. "Yes!". If you could have a full head of hair Jane but you had to be female, would you take it, "Yes!". Well, of those two options, only one offered hair.

With so many non-binary folks now, MtF can be nothing more than a directional marker which helps us find others similarly situated. So @bridgeburn was an MtF in that sense and so is any other XY going in that direction.
The main concern with uninterrupted puberty and post puberty is that of facial bone structure. The epiphyseal growth plates of the facial bones don't fuse until around age 24. And then if those bones expand facial feminization surgery becomes indicated. For example, a philtrum above 15 mm calls for liplift or even leforte 1 osteotomy (if liplift causes significant appearance of the gums), as the ideal female philtrum length is 11-13 mm; or about the size of the diameter of your iris, for reference.

Bone corruption is among the worst effects of testosterone. Like HGH, it can cause a sort of pseduo-acromegaly with a larger brow and expanded facial planes in the mid face and lower third. Some of which is operable, but it depends on nerve placement, such as the infra alveolar and mental nerves in the jawline. T genioplasty and v-line jaw surgery can be highly effective, but the nerves can't be too low.
 

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The main concern with uninterrupted puberty and post puberty is that of facial bone structure. The epiphyseal growth plates of the facial bones don't fuse until around age 24. And then if those bones expand facial feminization surgery becomes indicated. For example, a philtrum above 15 mm calls for liplift or even leforte 1 osteotomy (if liplift causes significant appearance of the gums), as the ideal female philtrum length is 11-13 mm; or about the size of the diameter of your iris, for reference.

Bone corruption is among the worst effects of testosterone. Like HGH, it can cause a sort of pseduo-acromegaly with a larger brow and expanded facial planes in the mid face and lower third. Some of which is operable, but it depends on nerve placement, such as the infra alveolar and mental nerves in the jawline. T genioplasty and v-line jaw surgery can be highly effective, but the nerves can't be too low.
Thanks. That is very important information because often gals struggle with whether they are still growing and I usually think vertical growth or in terms of hip fusion. In this context, it also puzzles me related to questions of re-masculinization after castration or in situations with very little T and DHT. Can the face grow after 24? If not, then re-masculinization must be akin to reversal of fat changes in the face. Both among MtF's and among XY's who are experiencing lack-luster hair results under HRT, I continue to look for the science to make sense of certain incongruities.
 

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Thanks. That is very important information because often gals struggle with whether they are still growing and I usually think vertical growth or in terms of hip fusion. In this context, it also puzzles me related to questions of re-masculinization after castration or in situations with very little T and DHT. Can the face grow after 24? If not, then re-masculinization must be akin to reversal of fat changes in the face. Both among MtF's and among XY's who are experiencing lack-luster hair results under HRT, I continue to look for the science to make sense of certain incongruities.
Some facial features change/grow until the day one dies.
 

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Some facial features change/grow until the day one dies.
Ears? Nose? Do the features keep moving together and feminizing? Rob seemed to wonder if even bone structure is slightly affected although a recent article on transfeminine science says no.
 

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Speaking of which Minoxidil use has been implicated as an etiology in pseudoacromegaly.

 

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The main concern with uninterrupted puberty and post puberty is that of facial bone structure. The epiphyseal growth plates of the facial bones don't fuse until around age 24. And then if those bones expand facial feminization surgery becomes indicated. For example, a philtrum above 15 mm calls for liplift or even leforte 1 osteotomy (if liplift causes significant appearance of the gums), as the ideal female philtrum length is 11-13 mm; or about the size of the diameter of your iris, for reference.

Bone corruption is among the worst effects of testosterone. Like HGH, it can cause a sort of pseduo-acromegaly with a larger brow and expanded facial planes in the mid face and lower third. Some of which is operable, but it depends on nerve placement, such as the infra alveolar and mental nerves in the jawline. T genioplasty and v-line jaw surgery can be highly effective, but the nerves can't be too low.

That's far more related to high GH and IGF-1 than anything else.

In fact what you're describing is explicitly acromegaly and not mediated by testosterone.
 

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Some facial features change/grow until the day one dies.

If you look at a lot of older celebrities as they've aged in the public eye, their upper maxilla has expanded in older age, as an indicator of the effects of growth hormone over time.

I actually have braces right now, so I'm in the process of future-proofing my face.
 

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If you look at a lot of older celebrities as they've aged in the public eye, their upper maxilla has expanded in older age, as an indicator of the effects of growth hormone over time.

I actually have braces right now, so I'm in the process of future-proofing my face.
How do braces help?
 

JaneyElizabeth

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I swear to Goddess my brow bossing mostly seems to have just gone away. I have put enough estradiol on it over the ages.
 

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Does the upper teeth protrudes outward with age? I never heard of that, i asumed that the lips just flatten out giving the type of look

Not the teeth, the upper jaw, the maxilla.

It protrudes outward over age due to growth hormone exposure.

Look at David Bowie's progression as he gets older, that's what it is.
 

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Not the teeth, the upper jaw, the maxilla.

It protrudes outward over age due to growth hormone exposure.

Look at David Bowie's progression as he gets older, that's what it is.
Sounds like me monitoring rock stars for hair. I loved Jagger's hair from about 1968 to 1973 before he went punk-ish. I loved McCartney's hair in the black glossy White Album photo.
 

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您好,我来自中国。看到您的文章时,我非常感兴趣。就像额头丢失一样,我也想尝试吃雌二醇以恢复头发。恐怕我会失去生育功能。我发现这种方法是极端的。你头上有头皮屑吗?有很多吗 脂溢性皮炎
 

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您好,我来自中国。看到您的文章时,我非常感兴趣。就像额头丢失一样,我也想尝试吃雌二醇以恢复头发。恐怕我会失去生育功能。我发现这种方法是极端的。你头上有头皮屑吗?有很多吗 脂溢性皮炎
Unless you have an orchiectomy infertility is reversible most of the times.
 
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