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All we need to know about RU58841

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  1. waynakyo

    waynakyo Experienced Member

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    We all know this is the most potent topical anti androgen, or at least we think so. Yet, very few use RU58841 for a very simple reason, it is only produced in China. The French company that originally developed has apparently given up on it or some say it has closed. It would be very useful to have a thread discussion all things related to RU58841. In particular, it would be useful for all of us to learn more about the company that first produced it, the reasons it stopped doing so, who is currently producing it, the studies backing the efficacy of RU58841 and your reviews of it for those using it.

    Regarding the original maker of RU58841, my understanding is that it was the French company called Roussel Uclaf, which by the way was a very reputable company 40% percent owned by the french government. It names most drugs with RU followed by digit. For example RU 486 was one of the first abortion pill that became used worldwide. Now what happened to it and to RU58841 is still not clear fro me.

    Any french interested in knowing more ? I assume it would be easier to know if I was in France. Once could call the RU company and ask for a short interview with Dr Dr. Sewaya. The point is to find out whether there are some really undesirable side effects that made this company stop producing it or there are other reasons. Some say the company itself was bought or closed. I cannot verify this. However, if this is the case then it does not necessarily have to do with this particular product as it is a big company and public companies tend to be privatised at some point.

    The bottom line of this thread is to find the most about RU (company) and RU58841 to know whether it is relatively safe to use it. This involves knowing more about what the Chinese lab is sending us.

    This has so far been the closest thing to the magic pill. Here is a report made by some guy on the best hair loss drugs (scroll down):
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/willbrink15.htm
     
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    waynakyo Experienced Member

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    I know we can, from the Chinese lab.
    But, correct me if I am wrong, most people on the forum KNOW that this is one of the most potent anti androgen, but do not buy it because of all the uncertainty around it (unknown lab, safety studies ?, studies on humans...).
    That is why I am trying to collect as much info as possible, as some people have been using it with success I hear.
     
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    I thought it was sourced in power form from Japan?
    I dunno, I've read a few reports from people apparently using it, and they said it was about as good as oral finasteride.
    A few users posted that they were concerned about RU breaking down as they made the topicals themselves (from the powder).

    Would be interesting to find out more though.
    If it is as efficacious as oral finasteride, it would make an awesome daily use shampoo additive for those who have only just started male pattern baldness - NW1.5 etc.
    Use that shampoo daily and forget about male pattern baldness!
     
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    It's not that expensive if you use it like el_duterino does.

    10g cost USD410 inc shipping.

    10g = 10,000mg

    el_duterino mixes 200g with 10ml 70% ETOH and 30 PG.
    So he gets 500ml out of his 10g batch.
    He also says that 100g might work and he's going to try 50mg

    Not sure how many ml he uses.




     
  5. kento

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    Cost of getting RU on the market is a big investment. In other side the results are same or little better than finasteride, so i guess it's risk investment. But because i got sides from finasteride this thing is my only hope buy far. It will be nice to have one place of all ru users like board section or yahoo group.
     
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    And that's why I wanted this thread to start rolling, to be just this maybe.

    The thing about RU is that it seems to be a much better anti androgen than finasteride however at which doses ? this is not clear. The point is that many believe that an extensive use of RU can keep your hair and regrow some. But this product hasn't been tested on humans. Having said that many have tried it and have not reported significant side effects.

    For many people, like me, finasteride causes a host of problems and will not always work well. Hence there is definitely a place for something topical like RU.

    But I guess it would be good to research it and understand it. You never know in 2 years time maybe everyone will start using it if it proves to be a better treatment.

    I am still curious though about how well it have worked for those who used it and any noticeable side effects.

    anyone ?
     
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    I guess if he is using 1ml, twice a day then it doesn't end up being that expensive. 10g would end up getting you 250 days... So not to expensive, providing it actually works of course, because that doesn't always seem to be the case.
    E.g;
    I think it is promising, but on the same token if it worked as well as we hoped for it would surely be more available and widely recognised by now? El dutasteride is about the only person I see still using it and claiming success, although I think he has taken a break from it because of sides? I also haven't seen him post a pic since he has been using it or anything which sucks. I know he says it isn't a regrowth agent (although the Stumptailed study said otherwise), but I'd like to see if it really has maintained, I remember he posted some old pics from when he used Fluta I think... I wonder how he compares to those these days.
     
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    el_duterino Experienced Member

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    Waynakyo, are you still using Fluridil ? how is it working for you ?
     
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    el_duterino Experienced Member

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    my hair is the same..i check my hairline everyday very closely and the exact hair are at the same place.
    hair shaft thickenenss varies if uses more or less RU, dutasteride etc..

    no regrowth - no loss

    this is my recent pic..taken a few months ago...has'nt changed since 11 years ago when I started finasteride (1998).

    http://img242.imageshack.us/i/all1ib0.jpg/
     
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    It looks awesome El dutasteride, you have done really well, congrats. It even looks a bit better than the pics you chucked up when you were starting Fluta I reckon.

    Where do you think you would be at today without the help of RU and the other drugs you have used along the way?

    8 years maintenance, belongs in the success storys section for mine! :)

    Oh how many mls of RU do you use each day btw?
    Thanks for your help, keep up the good work.
     
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    Tyler_Durden Established Member

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    Also did you ever find out yvakin's source for RU? He said he could get 50g for like $460?!
     
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    Same here, going to copy El dutasteride regime.

    RU58841
    Eucapil

    also I going to use:
    Nanominox-MS

    and I'm going to keep using these shampoos:

    Nizoral
    Nano
    Alpacin

    So my new regime will be:

    Morning
    Shampoo Nano/Nizoral/Alpacin
    RU58841

    Midday
    Eucapil

    Night
    Nanominox-MS


    Will also take the following vits:

    Vitamin B-Complex
    Biotin 5mg (Jarrow)
    Silica Complex
    Alpha Lipoic Sustain
    Multi-Vit
    MSM powder (Jarrow)

    Will also consider:
    Healthy 'N Fit 100% Whey Pro-Amino
    Natrol, Biosil
    Spirulina
    Hyaluronic Acid

    I may also add in the future:
    Spectral DNC
    Proxiphen
     
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    Can't wait the weather to get colder to order RU, definitely we need a place where we can share our results, quality of the ru etc. I'm planing to start with 3% RU.

    5920715: If i was at your place will put minoxidil before shampooing, RU don't like water. But no alpecin/minoxidil combination. I've heard if these two are used in short period of time they lose their effect, does anyone know what's the best time to add minoxidil after using alpecin.

    Also i've read that no other topical to be applied after/before Eucapil. Does anyone know for how hours should we pause with other topicals.

    sorry for my eng
     
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    yeah I did..turned out to be a scam...the guy was rude too.
    RU is expensive to make and the only place they make it right now is faith eagle
     
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    el_duterino Experienced Member

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    if I were you I'd stay on finasteride, unless you cannot bear the sides.
    Adding a little bit of RU and double flurdil dosage to finasteride is the best combo you can get for overall, long term results.

    RU can take water but does not dissolve well in water.
    Fluridil is the one that breaks down in water, on purpose to protect us from side effects.
     
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    Hey El dutasteride what do you think about roxithromycin or cyproterone acetate as a topical?
    Both are pretty easy to acquire and have some promising signs that they may help.
     
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    RU 58841 in the case of maturity of the hairline would have any effect ?
     
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    So it's ok to apply RU even on wet scalp?
    Is ok to apply other topical one hour after your RU application?

    How much do you pause before/after your fluridil application from other topicals?
     
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    I guess it will, like anyother dht blocker. But all depends of the person.

    You can see people on propecia with impressive regrow, some without any future loss. The main propose of the dht blocker is to keep what you have and thick the existing hair, getting regrow is bonus.
     
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    I wish RU 58841 was easily available in the states.
     
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