Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[inmyhead]

I think I could take 2 square centimeter of your hair and cover my bald areas with them and be happy. Not lying. But it's true that at your age, I would have been worried and obsessed if I had a smartphone (I had a fine Nokia 3310 that couldn't take any photo and I was fine with it / I was not able to notice any hairloss... only saw hair on the pillow and didn't care much).

Bro, are you really taking Finasteride for this ? I guess, I don't have the same perspective but... quite frankly, you hair look good and you are putting your health at risk with this. If a dermapen can help you, you should take the opportunity and quit Finasteride. My opinion.

Why are you recomending him to drop treatments? Without it he will go bald fast.

 

[yayapapaya]

“needling on its own is useless” is at most a personal opinion, no offense. One of the studies had a group who needle alone and got regrowth (better than minoxidil alone). Some people here also needle without any medication. Nobody argues that needling + something else is better (the study pointed out that, and I personally use both needling and minoxidil) but needling alone is not useless in at least many cases.

Keep dreaming.

 

[layabout]

I think I could take 2 square centimeter of your hair and cover my bald areas with them and be happy. Not lying. But it's true that at your age, I would have been worried and obsessed if I had a smartphone (I had a fine Nokia 3310 that couldn't take any photo and I was fine with it / I was not able to notice any hairloss... only saw hair on the pillow and didn't care much).

Bro, are you really taking Finasteride for this ? I guess, I don't have the same perspective but... quite frankly, you hair look good and you are putting your health at risk with this. If a dermapen can help you, you should take the opportunity and quit Finasteride. My opinion.

Hair growth is just so slow man. I believe that my Dermapen is doing good and that the minoxidil is helping, but I just wanna tackle it from all fronts, you know. I'm on a mission to get full regrowth, my hair used to be thicker on the sides too. I have not really gotten much sides from finasteride and I only take .5mg

 

[9982]

You've read incorrectly. Fasting reduces inflammation. It is considered one of the major benefits. Not that it will completely regrow your hair or anything like that.

Ray Peat. He made his life's work studying hormones and cortisol. He's a researcher and knows more about the subject than most endocrinologists. He describes the biochemical mechanism as being stress related. Paleo also causes a cortisol increase during ketosis and can cause hairloss.

 

[9982]

I can't answer these very well I'm afraid.

1) I have used a roller on and off (as I stated earlier) for maybe 2-3 years.

2) I am not a creature (or slave, depending on perspective) of routine, I would generally aim to roll every 2 weeks. Would sometimes turn to once a month. Though I think to really break through this layer of fibrosis / calcification I need to aim for more frequent wounding.

3) Can't give you time lines, I documented it all in my grow log though. I wouldn't expect regrowth for anyone on any protocol before 6 months.

4) Correct. Cheap chinese dermarollers. I would disinfect with iodine and reuse the same one multiple times.

May I ask you a question ? If I'm getting blood spots on the hairline with a 0.5mm roller, would you think that it's necessary to go deeper?
I'm not actually rolling, I just use the roller like a stamp.
I did order the derminator 2 but I'm thinking it may be too aggressive to go with 1.5 mm when it arrives.

 

[sportsguy97]

Ray Peat. He made his life's work studying hormones and cortisol. He's a researcher and knows more about the subject than most endocrinologists. He describes the biochemical mechanism as being stress related. Paleo also causes a cortisol increase during ketosis and can cause hairloss.

I think prolonged fasting done too often can have negative effects like anything else. However IF can be beneficial. I've been doing it for years with no adverse issues. I get the same calories as normal, just within a window. Pretty much just skip breakfast. Again if you scour the internet you'll find people that say IF helped with arthritis or acne and other inflammatory issues. Again not saying it helps, but its about creating a good environment for hair. Whether it helps for hair who knows. If it did i'd doubt we'd hear about it cause no money can be made.

 

[Hairyshowers]

May I ask you a question ? If I'm getting blood spots on the hairline with a 0.5mm roller, would you think that it's necessary to go deeper?
I'm not actually rolling, I just use the roller like a stamp.
I did order the derminator 2 but I'm thinking it may be too aggressive to go with 1.5 mm when it arrives.

0.5mm barely pierces the skin, generally people use this daily to increase the absorption of drugs (like minoxidil). It's nowhere near deep enough to trigger a real wound response. 1.5mm is the minimum used in the studies but you would probably benefit from deeper needles still. Like I said in a previous post, I've gone all the way up to 3mm with a roller without problems. I'd recommend 1.75-2mm with the pen and cover as much of your scalp as possible, not just your thinning areas. Rolling on healthy areas allows stem cells to migrate to local miniaturised areas.
Good luck and this is not for the faint hearted, the best results I have seen were from the most aggressive wounding member here, 2young2retire, and you fuckers banned him and closed the thread hahaa nice work admins.. Also I speculate that bloody photo he uploaded that got him banned all those years ago was made up of half red iodine mixed in with blood, making it look much more dramatic. Why iodine? It acts as a disinfectant plus it has been shown to boost wound healing and induce hair growth in and around scars. Remember he fully reversed his hairloss with a cheap 1.5mm roller, no other drugs, just heavy wounding.

 

[Hairyshowers]

I think prolonged fasting done too often can have negative effects like anything else. However IF can be beneficial. I've been doing it for years with no adverse issues. I get the same calories as normal, just within a window. Pretty much just skip breakfast. Again if you scour the internet you'll find people that say IF helped with arthritis or acne and other inflammatory issues. Again not saying it helps, but its about creating a good environment for hair. Whether it helps for hair who knows. If it did i'd doubt we'd hear about it cause no money can be made.

Agreed, IF has solid evidence behind it. I generally skip breakfast and eat within a smaller time window, ensuring I eat the same calories. IF improves insulin resistance and increases testosterone, both beneficial for hair. We are not thriving by sitting on a chair for 12 hours a day eating refined sugars, artificial foods and wanking off to pornhub. I'm not sorry if I offend people and don't care if I get banned here, I speak truth (from whatever knowledge or research I have gathered).

 

[stillwaters]

Just rolled my 5th time and it was way more painful than ever before, even with lidocaine. Is anyone experiencing an increase in pain after several weeks of once-a-week rolling? I may need to take a week off.

 

[Hairyshowers]

Lol, 2young2retire is back. Check a couple of pages back itt.

I know man, and that's great, but how many years have people wasted not knowing about a potential side-effect free treatment because that thread was closed and wounding communities were forced to private forums to speak freely. The lack of photo evidence here from veterans is also due to the same actions.

 

[Francesco17]

Just rolled my 5th time and it was way more painful than ever before, even with lidocaine. Is anyone experiencing an increase in pain after several weeks of once-a-week rolling? I may need to take a week off.

I had a slight increase in sensitivity at session 2. Possible explanations: less moisture, needles blunting, scalp becoming more sensitive.

 

[Adam12a]

Just rolled my 5th time and it was way more painful than ever before, even with lidocaine. Is anyone experiencing an increase in pain after several weeks of once-a-week rolling? I may need to take a week off.

I’m feeling an uptick in pain too! I’m also on my 5th session and i legit almost cried lol. For what it’s worth a couple of weeks back I waited 2 weeks and it didn’t hurt as much as it does when u do it weekly. Perhaps this pain is a sign of increased vascularization and the breakdown of calcified tissue increasing sensitivity? Who knows?? Anyways, I’m gonna take a light painkiller next time and see what if that’s better.

 

[albert]

I’m feeling an uptick in pain too! I’m also on my 5th session and i legit almost cried lol. For what it’s worth a couple of weeks back I waited 2 weeks and it didn’t hurt as much as it does when u do it weekly. Perhaps this pain is a sign of increased vascularization and the breakdown of calcified tissue increasing sensitivity? Who knows?? Anyways, I’m gonna take a light painkiller next time and see what if that’s better.

I dis several sessions with dermaroller in the past and it became so painful I had to give up. So this is for sure an issue. It kind of makes sense that after repetitive wounding in the same area in short periods it becomes more sensitive, especially if those periods are so short (e.g. weekly). I’m just hoping Derminator won’t cause the same issue...

 

[Me Vs DiffuseThinning]

Anybody else bring a glass of water to drink while rolling? I have started doing that. It should help, I think.

 

[Bill_Russo]

Wow, this thread just keeps getting better and better!
Thank you very much for your input, man. I'm about to be one of the heavy rollers (2 mm twice a month) without anything other than scalp massages. Your experience is very motivational for me, because you started worse off than I did. @Hairyshowers
May I ask, how long did it take for you to get to NW4? My hair loss started (at least that's when I noticed it, so it might be more like 7) 6 years ago and now I'm at a NW3 vertex-ish level under certain lightings.
And by the way, my pen is finally here (yes, got a pen in the end; let's just say there are some very, very kind souls in this forum). I still have to wait a week because of the stupid New Year's Eve mumbo-jumbo, but it's finally here!

Anybody else bring a glass of water to drink while rolling? I have started doing that. It should help, I think.

Someone mentioned drinking helped him with his sessions, too; way back in this thread.

 

[albert]

Anybody else bring a glass of water to drink while rolling? I have started doing that. It should help, I think.

May I ask how does it help? Less pain? Better outcome?

 

[Bill_Russo]

May I ask how does it help? Less pain? Better outcome?

The person I mentioned said it helped him with the pain.

 

[Me Vs DiffuseThinning]

May I ask how does it help? Less pain? Better outcome?

It's refreshing so it helps with the pain. I can also imagine how it's a good thing to drink water because you're wounding and something something circulation

 

[Pelimorfo]

Nice to see hairyshowers and 2young around here after Saga's collapse

 

[Hairyshowers]

Wow, this thread just keeps getting better and better!
Thank you very much for your input, man. I'm about to be one of the heavy rollers (2 mm twice a month) without anything other than scalp massages..@Hairyshowers
May I ask, how long did it take for you to get to NW4? My hair loss started (at least that's when I noticed it, so it might be more like 7) 6 years ago and I'm now at a NW3 vertex-ish level under certain lightings.

Someone mentioned drinking helped him with his sessions, too; way back in this thread.

You are a slow balder then man, my hair got fried quickly (NW2 to NW4 in probably a year). I remember having a bath one day, getting out and after emptying the water there was hundreds of hairs stuck to the bathtub, I freaked.
f*****g hairloss wrecks your self confidence and induces social anxiety. As a 32 yr old guy having dealt with this condition for the past 6 years I can tell you most women don't care, shave it off and go alpha. There are far worse conditions to be slave of.

Guys drinking a little water won't do sh*t haha honestly when I was rolling with a 3mm roller I'd take a swig of whiskey and rail a line of ketamine (r-isomer or racemic as used in hospitals for trauma and depression, s-isomer will just make you trip balls without the anesthesia).
Just f*****g jump in there and try not to grind your teeth to bits with the pain. If you are doing it twice a month you will want to be thorough though, push it right down into your scalp, no pussying around. Should take about 15-20mins to cover all areas.
As a side note; I change the needles each time I use my pen (they are cheap enough on eBay), but the budget ones I bought don't seem to be the same needle length as the official dr pen needle catridges. Because of this I set my pen to max depth which is 3mm, but I would say it's only getting to 2mm. I am sure about this because I set it to 0.5mm and the needles don't even protrude out the end of the pen.
Needling at this depth separates the men from the boys, but I honestly think it's one of the only ways to restore a fibrotic scalp environment. I can't imagine any other treatment being able to grow hair through this layer of cement (scar tissue / excess collagen / calcium deposits) that is present in advanced hairloss.
Also this takes a long time, most of you guys will quit within a few months due to pain or impatience, you guys don't have a voice or opinion here sorry, if you havent stuck to it religiously for a year plus then don't bother clogging up the thread.
Also don't bother spewing words and getting everyone hyped that you regrew your hair in one month, then we see your photos and there's no visible loss from baseline pics.
To everyone, don't ask me any more repeat questions, no time for people who won't make the effort to read.

 

[Hairyshowers]

Nice to see hairyshowers and 2young around here after Saga's collapse

Peace peli, hope your condition has improved? f*****g minoxidil has wrecked me half a Norwood in the past 5 months

 

[Bill_Russo]

You are a slow balder then man, my hair got fried quickly (NW2 to NW4 in probably a year). I remember having a bath one day, getting out and after emptying the water there was hundreds of hairs stuck to the bathtub, I freaked.

I know, man. That motivates me even more. If you had success with that type of hair loss, then that might increase my chances of success. Guess we'll find out.

f*****g hairloss wrecks your self confidence and induces social anxiety. As a 32 yr old guy having dealt with this condition for the past 6 years I can tell you most women don't care, shave it off and go alpha. There are far worse conditions to be slave of.

Yeah, well. Personally, I don't really give two vanilla flavored fucks about what women, or anyone for that matter, think. I care about what I think, and I think I have no reason to be 90% happy with myself when I can be 100%.

 

[Bill_Russo]

3rd session in. Going away on holiday tomorrow so done it couple of days earlier than i would normally do.

Damn, man. I don't think it's a good idea to post that. Pics like that were the reason the first thread was closed.