Update: Follica's Presentation At The 2017 Aad Meeting

KJ1982

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Guys the secret revealed :)
It's going to be dermapen with minoxidil ( as swoop said ). The chemical application will be minoxidil 15% once a week in office and minoxidil 5% at home two times a day.

Where did you hear this, Baldybald1? :)
 

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If you're right that is a pretty terrible business model. Who the hell has time to carve out a doctors appointment every week?
 

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There is no way people are going to go into the office once a week, unless the results are quick and spectacular.
 

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Look at this clinic. It is one and only clinic is preforming cots technique and they recently announced it. No it's not a scam it's real and their technique makes a lot of sense. There is no picture of their results still because they just published the service. Please take a look at the website below.
 

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this is old and has nothing to do with follica. cant afford to put minoxidil in morning on my head, would make my hair look shitty. if that would be cots holy grail after 20 years of research, should you laugh or cry? furthermore minoxidil gives you 1-3 years at maximum good results.

You have me stumped. I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry. If this turns out to be his treatment I would definitely be shaking my head.
 

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That website is so low budget and scammy. The results look too good to be true for 12 weeks and the graph they have on there doesn't even make any sense.

And I agree with @Bad_Wolve. Twice per day application of minoxidil in 4 hour intervals is virtually un-doable for any 9-5er. You can't wear minoxidil during the day unless you can wear a hat to work. And say you work till exactly 5, throw some rogaine in, wait even just 3 hours. Now it's 8 and you need to apply again and wash it out right before bed if you even stay up that late. All while having your hair look like a greasy rats nest when you're trying to eat dinner with your family or do anything social at all.
 

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And I agree with @Bad_Wolve. Twice per day application of minoxidil in 4 hour intervals is virtually un-doable for any 9-5er. You can't wear minoxidil during the day unless you can wear a hat to work. And say you work till exactly 5, throw some rogaine in, wait even just 3 hours. Now it's 8 and you need to apply again and wash it out right before bed if you even stay up that late. All while having your hair look like a greasy rats nest when you're trying to eat dinner with your family or do anything social at all.

What you comparing it to? Even the "disappointing" data on Follica's treatment suggests it could give the results of a moderate transplant session.

A shaved-down FUE transplant leaves you looking embarrassing & fugly for months afterward. You wait for the redness to fade, the shockloss recovers, and eventually some new hairs grow. You aren't looking much better for most of a year.


I agree that Follica probably won't sell a treatment that is such a PITA if they can possibly help it. But in theory if that's what it takes then we are in no position to be picky.
 

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Look at this clinic. It is one and only clinic is preforming cots technique and they recently announced it. No it's not a scam it's real and their technique makes a lot of sense. There is no picture of their results still because they just published the service. Please take a look at the website below.

Did they put up this recently? Do you know this for sure baldybald?

Anyway even if it wasn't follica their method they believe it falls under their IP lol.
 

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What you comparing it to? Even the "disappointing" data on Follica's treatment suggests it could give the results of a moderate transplant session.

A shaved-down FUE transplant leaves you looking embarrassing & fugly for months afterward. You wait for the redness to fade, the shockloss recovers, and eventually some new hairs grow. You aren't looking much better for most of a year.


I agree that Follica probably won't sell a treatment that is such a PITA if they can possibly help it. But in theory if that's what it takes then we are in no position to be picky.

Fair enough, but at least you deal with those side effects up front and then are done with it. I guess it's just a pity that they haven't managed how to tweak minoxidil's formula allowing for once daily application. If I can get my hair back with Follica, will I be willing to walk around all night like my head is doused in bacon grease? Sure, but that doesn't make it practical, it just means I'm desperate AF.
 

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The Foam version is not grease at all. I tried the liquid, my god..

Back to the foam, after just 1 application of the liquid.
 

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it's just a pity that they haven't managed how to tweak minoxidil's formula allowing for once daily application.

Oh, but they have! Trentinoin increases minoxidil's absorption which in combination once daily produces an
equivalent efficacy rate to standard minoxidil twice daily. What is noteworthy about that finding is one of the authors of the study, Ohsang Kwon, has worked with Cotsarelis in the lab.
The chemical application will be minoxidil 15% once a week in office and minoxidil 5% at home two times a day.

Follica describes their at-home treatment system as a "range of compounds". Either that range is combined
into one applied twice daily (morning sun-orange, evening moon-blue) or there are two separate formulas:
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or as the dispenser mock-up suggests, multiple nozzles:
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'hard to believe in though, Dr. Cots.
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hard. to. be. lieve. in.
 

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Cotsarelis is joke. Although I respect him for the work he has put in. Highly erroneous, at times a clown.

Favorite quote by Cotsarelis:

"US $2 million would bring out a product that would be more effective than Minoxidil and Propecia but would not give a bald person a full head of hair. US $20 million will provide the kind of funding necessary to give someone who is already bald a full head of hair but it will take more years to accomplish".

Washenik is full clown.

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Murrican research at work.

Asia will rise. In fact LET Asia rise. I'll gladly deliver my money to there.

Follica is led by the directors of Puretech anyway since the recapitalization in 2013.

Bottom line don't expect sh*t from Follica. They will lean on minoxidil mostly, says enough.
 
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Oh, but they have! Trentinoin increases minoxidil's absorption which in combination once daily produces an
equivalent efficacy rate to standard minoxidil twice daily. What is noteworthy about that finding is one of the authors of the study, Ohsang Kwon, has worked with Cotsarelis in the lab.

Tretinoin would have to once a day anyway, at night, because it greatly increases the skins sensitivity to UV. Tretinoin is also a PGD2 inhibitor in that the PTGDS enzyme that converts PGH2 to PGD2 is also a retinoid transporter.
 
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