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I just hope it works.
Samumed Sm04554 Results Normalized To Baseline
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i am a medical student at this university
Lol, thats weird
Thanks for the translation though
Super, do you have any additional information about the studies?i am a medical student at this university
thanks for the translation
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I am currently in another city due to covid. I'm sure there are some people in the forum who are in the same city right now. the professor works in a private practice. If I were there, I would go and make an appointment, maybe someone would do that for us. Also, nobody knows anything in Turkish forums. Either the drug is really ineffective or no one can say anything because of very strict rules.
I got it buddy, thanks
Maybe, but he does make some good points, and it's rather difficult to prove a sophisticated fraud like that. You just have to wonder why they do certain things like performing their trials in house, or raising funds solely from individuals rather than investment banks that would demand more rigid oversight. I don't think they are fabricating data outright, but would you be surprised if they are manipulating the trial design and stats to make it appear better than it is? If their former employee is right this would be a soft fraud, in which they have real drugs and conduct real trials, it's just that the drugs are ineffective and they know it. You can dupe more investors by running trials with legitimate but ineffective drugs than by not running any trials. Time will tell, but don't be surprised if this company just keeps running trials until the money stops coming in, but never releases a product outside of Turkey.
I only say all this because people are pinning their hopes on this drug, and they should know it's a longshot. If you're hoping to avoid finasteride and minoxidil by waiting for SM you may regret it.
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If this same employee had said something good about this drug you would have not believed him, saying his words without evidence mean nothing.
We are all biased in this thread, some for the best, and some (you) for the worst.
Time will tell.
That's where you're wrong, I'm simply being objective. I'm open to anything positive about the company too. I just see a lot to be skeptical of here. I'm much more optimistic about Bayer, Follica, Surrozen, Tissuse, and Stemson.
I do wonder why virtually all of your posts are in this thread pumping this company. Do you work for them? Why so much interest in this particular company, but no interest in anything else?
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pegasus stupid
They feel exposed
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We come from asia
I'm not saying those guys are not having sides, but I don't think heart fluttering alone would have derailed this trail, so it's a pretty inconclusive call to say that the drug was dropped for safety concerns. Minoxidil gives me heart palpitations and fluttering from time to time, and is a known minor side effect, yet the drug is sold over the counter.Lol, what am I reading...
Yes one of samumed's osteoarthritis phase II trials "failed" but that doesn't mean Samumed is dropping it, there are phase III trials underway.
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And RU not going to market could be because of many reasons. Patent rights for example:
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the patent for RU58841 was already quite old when the second clinical trial was finished. If a company would go forward to bring RU58841 to the market then it would only have a short amount of time to generate revenue before other companies could compete and create generic versions.
Also the company behind RU valuating the hairloss market at only 200 million was 20 years ago, I don't need to tell anyone here how important appearance for a man is these days. The market is MUCH bigger than that these days.
But I believe they dropped RU because of safety risks. Also many guys on this forum experiencing sides from RU, especially heart problems. (recent thread: https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...tions-from-using-ru58841.130225/#post-1923685 )
RU trialling was dropped due to safety concerns over systemic absorption - here's the snippet:
"Furthermore, the absence of a full toxicological report on RU-58841 in any species and the lack of human clinical data has led us to the assumption that product development has been abandoned."
Comparing SM04554 to RU's situation back in the day doesn't make any sense, too many different variables.
Also comparing Samumed to Theranos? Really now? Lol!
Anyway, being sceptical is good. We've been burned enough. But Samumed is no fraud, there is absolutely zero evidence that they are. It's all wild speculation based on nothing.
I don't use RU, but every drug has both minor and major sides. Every story I've seen about the heart palpitations that has gotten their heart checked (been 2-3 now) has said that there was no detectable damage when they went to the doctors and hospital in one guys case. That being said, I wouldn't take a drug every day for the rest of my youth that has 0 established side effect profile, but I'm just pointing out that there is more of an argument to be made on the financial side of things then for health side of things. Closing to being off patent and a small estimated market is easily a drug trial killer.
Ya everyone is disregarding what you are saying because you have literally no basis for your claims. What exactly about the 90 day trial mostly geared towards safety didn't do it for you? And further, is a 24 month trial not a very effective medium for pushing the drug to market? I have much more doubts about the garbage that Casseopia is trying to pull with a sham of a 6 month phase 3 trial the most comprehensive phase 3 trial completed in this space since Propecia.
If you're evaluating it on it's own merits then justify/disclose what those merits are. We all know that 99% of hair loss treatments take a lot longer then 90 days to show efficacy, but if you have some other insight into why this drug won't succeed or about the data that's going to be released then please share. Otherwise you have the same info as the rest of us and are coming from a position of bias as you've already written the company off with skepticism.
And you did liken it to fraud, you said that it was more likely to Theranos then Regeneron. Theranos committed fraud for years to get funding.
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You guys are so funny. First you say I said it was fraud, and now you say I likened it to fraud. The latter is accurate. I don't believe in this company, but I'm not going to say it's the next theranos. I will say that it reminds me more of Theranos than Regeneron, and I've read multiple business articles comparing it to Theranos so I'm not the only one.
I said from the get-go that you likened it to a fraudulent company. Comparing a company with published and completed clinical trial data who just happen to really hype up their pipeline to a company who lied about their core business offering and openly used commercially available alternatives that were spewing out fake results is a joke.
You can believe whatever you'd like about the company but like I said originally, it's a really bad take.
My mistake, you're not the one who said that. There are a lot of people in this thread smoking copium. Time will tell who has the bad take here, just like it did with Brotzu. You don't know that they're not lying. You can choose to believe them if you want, but you'll be really disappointed.