Numerous vitamin supplements?

The Natural

Established Member
It has little to do with "luck," and more to do with things like reducing inflammation and increasing circulation, among others.

I will put a $35 -$40 a month natural regimen like mine up against, say, a $1000 - $1500 laser helmet therapy any day, any time.
 

ukmale24

Established Member
I think the main argument is not what causes male pattern baldness, but the different ways of treating it. You can either fight the DHT with drugs like Fn, or you can try and maintain your cells and repair the damage, which is where vitamins and supplements can come in handy.
 

s.a.f

Senior Member
ukmale24 said:
I think the main argument is not what causes male pattern baldness, but the different ways of treating it. You can either fight the DHT with drugs like Fn, or you can try and maintain your cells and repair the damage, which is where vitamins and supplements can come in handy.

Yeah good luck with that.
If your follicles are being devastated because they are not immune to DHT theres no vitamins out there that are going to reverse that
 

WhitePolarBear

Banned
My Regimen
So why did my hair stop falling out (and are getting better and better) if I'm not even using a DHT inhibitor like finasteride, dutasteride, or even ketoconazole (there is 1% in my revita though), answer that please s.a.f :). I have been diagnosed with male pattern baldness by 3 different dermatologists and my GP.

PS: you know minoxidil doesn't maintain so I should see a shitload of hair in the shower. I only have max 5 or 6 hair (hard to find them now lol) in my hands everyday when I shower, and 5-6 hair on my pillow, and I never find hair on my desk or anywhere else. Before my current regimen, I would find hundreds of hair everytime I shower (didn't count them but there were a lot!) and on my pillow :sobbing: .
 

ukmale24

Established Member
s.a.f said:
ukmale24 said:
I think the main argument is not what causes male pattern baldness, but the different ways of treating it. You can either fight the DHT with drugs like Fn, or you can try and maintain your cells and repair the damage, which is where vitamins and supplements can come in handy.

Yeah good luck with that.
If your follicles are being devastated because they are not immune to DHT theres no vitamins out there that are going to reverse that

So you totally dispute things like TB-4 and Copper Peptide ?
 

s.a.f

Senior Member
Yeah in terms of genetic m.p.b. Are you telling me you think NW7's like Larry David could still have hair if only they'd got on some supplement regime?
 

ukmale24

Established Member
s.a.f said:
Yeah in terms of genetic m.p.b. Are you telling me you think NW7's like Larry David could still have hair if only they'd got on some supplement regime?

*Googles him* Bit late for him I think. I just think it's unwise to completely dispel science and evidence behind Tb-4 and Copper Peptide. Tb-4 especially.
 

Thom

Senior Member
I must say that when I started my regimen a few months ago I thought s.a.f was just bitter and cynical about supplements. I spent about $40 a month on supplements until around April and just never got around to buying more and haven't bought any more since then. Hasn't changed a thing.

So I am posting to say that I agree with him that supplements won't affect your hair in one way or another. They did seem to make my hair grow faster but that is it. I may be new to the big 3 but trust Cassin and s.a.f, they've been doing this for awhile as far as I can tell.

More importantly, save your money.
 

slurms mackenzie

Established Member
Thom said:
I must say that when I started my regimen a few months ago I thought s.a.f was just bitter and cynical about supplements. I spent about $40 a month on supplements until around April and just never got around to buying more and haven't bought any more since then. Hasn't changed a thing.

So I am posting to say that I agree with him that supplements won't affect your hair in one way or another. They did seem to make my hair grow faster but that is it. I may be new to the big 3 but trust Cassin and s.a.f, they've been doing this for awhile as far as I can tell.

More importantly, save your money.

Out of interest what supps did you try? How long for?
 

The Natural

Established Member
That would be my question as well. To state that "supplements" are, in essence, a waste of money because you have tried, say, two, is obnoxious.

s.a.f. is ignorant (of natural treatments that not only improve the condition of the body in general, but the scalp/hair in particular).
 

freakout

Experienced Member
Thom said:
I must say that when I started my regimen a few months ago I thought s.a.f was just bitter and cynical about supplements. I spent about $40 a month on supplements until around April and just never got around to buying more and haven't bought any more since then. Hasn't changed a thing.

So I am posting to say that I agree with him that supplements won't affect your hair in one way or another. They did seem to make my hair grow faster but that is it. I may be new to the big 3 but trust Cassin and s.a.f, they've been doing this for awhile as far as I can tell.

More importantly, save your money.
Couldn't agree more. Supplements have not been proven to even work a tiny bit. Products that claim to do so are snake oils.
 

Nashville Hairline

Experienced Member
I'd love if supplements did actually work but while I'm seeing not a single human on the internet who can show pictures of maintenance or improvement of male pattern baldness over time with just supplements then I have to assume the "success" stories are the usual unverified testimonials.
 

Thom

Senior Member
sir chugalot said:
Thom said:
I must say that when I started my regimen a few months ago I thought s.a.f was just bitter and cynical about supplements. I spent about $40 a month on supplements until around April and just never got around to buying more and haven't bought any more since then. Hasn't changed a thing.

So I am posting to say that I agree with him that supplements won't affect your hair in one way or another. They did seem to make my hair grow faster but that is it. I may be new to the big 3 but trust Cassin and s.a.f, they've been doing this for awhile as far as I can tell.

More importantly, save your money.

Out of interest what supps did you try? How long for?


I took Biotin, Zinc, fish oils, iron, and Saw Palmetto and I took them for almost half a year. Like I said, I think my hair grew a bit faster but you're better off saving your money.
 

s.a.f

Senior Member
The Natural said:
That would be my question as well. To state that "supplements" are, in essence, a waste of money because you have tried, say, two, is obnoxious.

s.a.f. is ignorant (of natural treatments that not only improve the condition of the body in general, but the scalp/hair in particular).

Idiot, when it comes to hair you are a slave to the follicles sensitivity to DHT. All you need to do is take a look around at other men to realise that nutrition and m.p.b are not connected. Do you think Patrick Dempsey spends all day popping vitamin pills. Maybe he does? Maybe he'd be a NW7 without them? :jackit:
But keep taking the vitamins I'm sure your Horseshoe will be lovely and shiney looking.
I'm just trying to give people the real truth on here rather than false hope.
 

freakout

Experienced Member
s.a.f said:
[quote="The Natural":3epmzl96]... s.a.f. is ignorant (of natural treatments that not only improve the condition of the body in general, but the scalp/hair in particular).
Idiot, ..... :jackit: .... keep taking the vitamins I'm sure your Horseshoe will be lovely and shiney looking.[/quote:3epmzl96]
LOL.

Vitamin A supplements causes increased risked to lung cancer among smokers
Vitamin C supplements contribute to artereosclerosis among diabetics
Vitamin E supplements causes increased risks to heart failure.

the opposite of what they should do than when they come from food.
 

Bryan

Senior Member
Staff member
freakout said:
Supplements have not been proven to even work a tiny bit.

Supplements _have_ (apparently) been shown to work! Why hasn't there been even a SINGLE mention in this thread of that biotin study which I've posted several times over the years on various hairloss sites? :dunno:

It was originally published in a European medical journal, and involved the taking of a rather large daily oral dose of biotin: 2.5 mg/day. The test-subjects had mostly androgenetic alopecia, and they supposedly had a pretty good response to the biotin, after taking it every day for a few months.

I admit that I personally have trouble fully believing that study, at least until I see it duplicated by additional investigators. But I think you erred outrageously when you said that "supplements have not been proven to work even a tiny bit." Now you know otherwise! Don't exaggerate needlessly! :)
 

freakout

Experienced Member
Thanks mr bryan. I'd like to read this study. Is there a link to it?
 

Bryan

Senior Member
Staff member
freakout said:
Thanks mr bryan. I'd like to read this study. Is there a link to it?

I'll find the post of the abstract again. Give me a few minutes...
 

Bryan

Senior Member
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Authors: Floersheim GL.
Institution: Dermatologie FMH, Rennweg 15,CH-4052 Basel; Switzerland.
Title: "An examination of the effect of biotin on alopecia and hair quality"
Source: Zeitschrift fur Hautkrankheiten. Vol 67(3) (pp 246-252+255), 1992.

The effect of a daily oral dose of 2,5 mg biotin was studied in 93 patients with the symptoms hair-loss (mostly androgenetic alopecia) and reduced hair quality. The mean duration of treatment was 7,9 +/- 2,8 months. An obvious improvement of hair-loss was reported in 64%, and a slight improvement in 9%. Hair quality was clearly improved in 70% and slightly in 12%. Brittle finger nails as an additional complaint were improved in 80%. If alopecia, decreased hair quality and brittle finger nails occurred in combination, improvement was observed frequently collectively. The study allows - as already shown in a previous investigation concerning brittle finger nails - to suggest biotin as an effective and well tolerated therapy in cases of alopecia and decreased hair quality.
 
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