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My theory for Male Pattern Baldness, care to poke some holes

Discussion in 'Men's General Hair Loss Discussions' started by frailstar, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. docj077

    docj077 Senior Member

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    You have your view, but unfortunately, I have the studies that demonstrate the molecular mimicry through viral infection right in front of me. In fact, it's even mentioned in many textbooks. Mimicry through bovine milk proteins is a less accepted hypothesis in the medical community.
     
  2. frailstar

    frailstar Established Member

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    lol Soy is not the only source for protein for a vegan. Did you even read that comparison? It said nothing about soy. Now you're just making sh*t up. I rarely eat soy. I drink rice milk over soy milk, so you're wrong. If a vegan isn't getting enough fat well they aren't doing it right. I eat 40 grams of fat a day. My fat comes from corn oil, nuts, olive oil. So to say vegans can't get fat is just dead wrong. Fat does not have to come from an animal, in fact if you don't want heart disease I would advice against it. You clearly have something in your head against vegan diets. You've also proved that you are very misinformed about vegan diets.

    As for the breast-feeding vegan moms...

    http://www.vegetarianbaby.com/articles/ ... info.shtml

    Just be healthy and make sure you are doing the right things. It's not hard. You are overstating things to make a point.
     
  3. docj077

    docj077 Senior Member

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    Actually, I used to be a vegan and it is a very unhealthy lifestyle when compared to other dieting methods.

    Also, I never said that soy is the only source of protein, nor did I say that animal fat is required. I simply stated that excess soy (soy burger and other soy products) in excess and low fat dieting are extremely unhealthy for the human body. Plant protein is not as accessible to the human body. Human beings to not have the necessary enzymes for proper plant digestion and they have evolved to become omnivores. The vegan diet is archaeic in terms of human evolution.

    If you ever dissect and study a human being, you'll notice that they have all the tools necessary to be omnivorous beings.

    So, the LOL actually is directed at you for making assumptions.
     
  4. frailstar

    frailstar Established Member

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    First of all, although plant proteins may be lacking in one or more of the essential amino acids, as a group they do contain all of them. Colin Campbell argues, quite effectively, that "low-quality" plant protein, which allows for slow but steady synthesis of new proteins, is the healthiest type of protein. Slow but steady wins the race.

    Actually, if you want to get down to it, human flesh has just the right amount of amino acids, animals are the next best thing. Don't see anyone running out and eating each other though.

    So although your argument makes sense passingly, it's not the best diet for ultimate health.
     
  5. Bryan

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    What you're missing is that even if you DID find such a definition for that word in some recent dictionaries, it's a relatively new addition, based on the vulgarization of that word among people who didn't know any better. It's not all that surprising, because the English language is a dynamic thing, and gradually evolves over the decades. Even the word ain't can be found in most dictionaries, even though it's clearly illiterate, because it's nevertheless in common use. Even dictionaries have to keep up with the times, I suppose, by adding new slang words and new definitions for standard words from time-to-time, whenever lexicographers feel that it's sufficiently justified. However, that doesn't mean that _I_ personally feel that such a new defintion for dairy is either justified, or literate! :wink:

    BTW, I have four different dictionaries in my possession (mostly older ones), and not a single one of them lists that definition for the word "dairy". I still consider that usage to be both hillbilly and laughable! :D
     
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    Define what you mean by "low fat dieting" here. I'm assuming you mean reducing fats to an extreme?
     
  7. frailstar

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    So this is the glue that keeps your fragile ego together. Pity.
     
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    Exactly the pompous response that I anticipated. The fact of the matter is, whether or not it's in your dictionary/vocabulary, it's still recognized as a noun. By the way, we prefer to be called "rednecks". "Hillbilly" is a little outdated, kind of 1960's, don't you think? It's time to update your dictionary Bryan, and to stop giving English lessons on a hair loss forum.
     
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    Yes. Also, many nutrients need the presence of fats in order to be absorbed, which means taking your daily multivitamin means nothing unless you have a fat source around.
     
  10. frailstar

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    This is the chart that sparked the idea for my theory on milk consumption and male pattern baldness. If you replaced diabetes with male pattern baldness in this chart, could you basically see the same chart? I'm asking because I don't know or have the numbers for male pattern baldness in Finland or any of the other places listed in the chart. But rural Japan matches on this chart. Does anyone know about the other countries?

    http://www.reflectdesign.com/livejournal/type1chart.jpg

    I did find this though, http://www.drmirkin.com/women/2339.html
     
  11. docj077

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    Just like with Type I diabetes, one's predisposition toward developing PCOS is genetically mediated. Diseases that are claimed to be "environmental" usually tend to run in families, which means that it's genes first and the stupid things that people do second.

    You can run around in circles trying to find an environmental link, but one's ability to develop these diseases relies on genetic mutation.
     
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    All humans probably have baldness genes. :hairy:
     
  13. frailstar

    frailstar Established Member

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    You didn't really respond to the Type 1 chart, any reason you are ignoring it? You also might want to ignore the next page and spare yourself the embarrassment.

    http://www.gypsycharm.com/pics/type1pg2.jpg
     
  14. frailstar

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    Back to the concerns Doctor had about not getting vitamins A, D and B12 on a vegan diet.

    Although it's true that these vitamins can only be found in animal-based foods, What he failed to tell you is that these are nonessential vitamins. Meaning vitamin A can be readily made by our bodies from beta-carotene, and vitamin D can be made by exposing our skin to fifteen minutes of sunshine every couple of days. Both of these vitamins are toxic if they are consumed in high amounts.

    Also you can get B12 vitamins from vegetables if the vegetables are grown from B12 rich soil. This is hard to do though because most the agriculture takes place on relatively lifeless soil. This is a minor annoyance compared to heart disease, cancer and Type 1 and 2 diabetes. I'd much rather take my risk with developing a B12 deficiency than go through chemo or take shots every day.
     
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    Frailstar,


    Its pretty obvious to me that you are just "bobmer" or any other number of naturals folks who emanate from immortal hair that periodically come to "attack" this site with the dietary theory of male pattern baldness.


    I remind you again, there are fat, lazy people who have horrible diets that have full thick heads of hair into old age. Our family has several of these. The very existence of these people proves your ideas incorrect.

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    That picture alone disproves your thesis. The reason, for the umpteenth time, that the old Japanese diet might have ---delayed---male pattern baldness is that green tea and soya have anti-androgenic effects and high albium levels, which help bind free testosterone also, are correlated with high fish consumption. Thats it, there is nothing more to it.
     
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    How does a picture of John Goodman prove anything? I'm not saying that everyone that drinks milk will go bald. Not everyone that drinks milk as an infant will develop Type 1 diabetes or cancer or heart disease either. Put if you do have suck *** male pattern baldness genes than drinking milk will trigger the male pattern baldness, just as it does in infants who develop Type 1 from drinking milk.

    Simplified: drinking cow's milk will trigger genes that cause male pattern baldness just as it does in Type 1.

    What are your thoughts on the Type 1 and cow's milk stuff? Have you read that? Why is it so far fetched to believe the same thing could be true for male pattern baldness? I mean, this is only a wild concept if you can't even grasp the Type 1 and milk connection.
     
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    I was actually going to respond that link, but it's really fruitless. He's going to continue to think that cow's milk and a diet with meat is going to cause all your health problems.
     
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    Will you stop posting links without trying to correlate anything from them to your discussion.

    Do you have any viable proof that milk causes type-1 diabetes? A survey showing a country with type-1 and milk consumption is not proof. It's bad science.

    However, if you can somehow find data that shows four groups (CM consumption/no diabetes, CM consumption/diabetes, no CM consumption/no diabetes, and no CM consumption/diabetes), then maybe I'll see the light.
     
  20. frailstar

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    Yes there is proof. Read this page, http://www.gypsycharm.com/pics/type1pg2.jpg

    If you read The China Study book you will understand more. It goes into greater detail. I'm sorry you can't see the connection with just those 2 pages. I'm obviously not going to scan the entire book in and post it. If reading those 2 pages on Type 1 online isn't compelling enough, than I'd check my pulse. Why do I continue to have these discussions about The China Study with people who haven't even read it anyway? This is fruitless. You are trying to discuss something with me that you don't know anything about.
     

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