frailstar said:
retropunk said:
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If you read The China Study book you will understand more. It goes into greater detail. I'm sorry you can't see the connection with just those 2 pages. I'm obviously not going to scan the entire book in and post it. If reading those 2 pages on Type 1 online isn't compelling enough, than I'd check my pulse. Why do I continue to have these discussions about The China Study with people who haven't even read it anyway? This is fruitless. You are trying to discuss something with me that you don't know anything about.
I've been doing some reading, as well, and it appears as though the autoimmunity from bovine milk proteins is not due to the proteins themselves. It's due to ss-Cassein-A1 producing bioactive opoid peptides (ss-casomorphin-7) that is more highly absorbed across the intestinal lumen of women with immature gastrointestinal tracts. There is actually lower incidence of Type I diabetes and heart disease in populations that have ss-cassein-A2 variant in their milk. Also, that particular variant is associated with less severe symptoms of autism and schizophrenia.
Adults seem to reap the biological activity locally on the intestinal brush boarder as ss-CM-7 can potentially affect numerous opioid receptors in the nervous, endocrine, and immune systems.
The answer to the problem that you continue to bring up with regards to bovine milk proteins is not the milk itself. It's actually improper weening in the presence of an immature infant gastrointestinal tract with exposure to particular milk protein subtypes in susceptible populations.
Certain milk protein subtypes are actually associated with better health and well-being. I don't think that you can make such blanket statements anymore and neither can your precious book. The science is far more complex than the rantings of one man in relatively unimportant book.
Who are these susceptible populations? Do we know? Also what about the US, do we have have a lot of ss-cassein-A2 variant in our milk? What populations do? This only brings up more questions than it actually answers. Whose milk is safe? Who's susceptible? This information is vague at best. The problem is that you can't ignore the compelling evidence in The China Study (or precious book as you like to call it). It clearly shows a nearly perfect pattern of those countries who consume the most milk (who knows and who really gives a damn what variant of f****ing casein was in it) and those who suffer the most Type 1 diabetes. It's beyond compelling. You can try and disqualify the information by trying to corner different components in the milk, or variants in the people, but the evidence is still there. It doesn't erase the glaring evidence. I think you need this book to be unimportant because it threatens you for some reason. You can call it precious and unimportant but T. Collin Campbell is not some diet guru, he's done the lab work, he's done the observations. This man has way more credentials than you. So I find it quite funny that you are calling this man unimportant. It just goes to show how desperate you are to disqualify this information.
I already told you who the susceptible populations are based upon their HLA subtypes. You can't tell who they are by their outward appearance. You need genetic testing. Plus, I told you that the protein make-up in the milk makes all the difference. Ingestion of a particular variant is correlated with Type I diabetes. Ingestion of another variant is protective for both Type I diabetes and heart disease. Scandinavia, for instance, has more of the diabetogenic variant in their millk while Iceland actually has more of the protective variant. Hence, that's why your little chart shows more type I diabetes in the scandinavian (Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Finland) countries. In the U.S., about 20-30% of our cows produce the A2 variant naturally, which is probably why our incidence of Type I diabetes is lower than some other milk drinking populations. That combined with reasonable healthcare in those who are acutely ill is probably quite protective.
I find your idols work to be vague. His work is full of generalizations and opinions that are formed from incomplete studies or loss associations that simply aren't even there.
Here is an excellent example of a patent that has already been filed to allow for the proper processing of milk related products, so that they can be delievered to those individuals at risk of developing Type I diabetes through milk protein consumption. There are numerous other patents in circulation right now.
http://www.pharmcast.com/Patents100/Yr2 ... 010207.htm
A2 only milk is already available in many parts of the world including the U.S.
http://www.a2milk.com/
So, your little tantrum about milk is very biased and I believe you to be rather misinformed. The information contained within the book that you keep referencing is actually outdated as milks that are protective to the human body are know in existence and it is now known that the individual casein variants are what is causing the problem. Simply making a blanket statement that declares all milk to be bad is rather foolish, in my opinion. All milk is not bad. In fact, some milks are very, very good for you. Your goal should not have been to remove milk from people's diets. It should have been to give them a viable alternative.[/quote:c8d97]
Also, The China Study is not outdated, this book was published in 2006. I find it funny that you can talk about someone making blanket statements about health, when you yourself are saying soy is toxic. When there are studies that are for and against the consumption of soy. Is all milk bad, is all meat? It is my opinion that it is. And you might come to the same conclusion after reading The China Study. You may not. You might also come to the conclusion that animal protein is bad but you just don't care, you'll take your chances.
But I wouldn't listen to me or Doctor. I'd read the book and then make up my own mind. It's your health, and it's your responsibility, not mine. I don't care if you drink milk and enjoy it with a big juicy steak. But don't come at me with your blanket statements like this book is misinformed. You have yet to cite anything specific in the book that you feel is wrong. It really bothers me that someone can be so passionate about keeping important health information away from people, especially from someone who claims to be a Doctor. Why does this information bother you so much? The worst it could do is turn you into a vegan, and that's hardly something to be concerned about.