Microneedling Faqs: Procedures, Studies And Such

Bill_Russo

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The two studies are in the original post! Courtesy of @Wergi who contacted me when Chen posted his results.
Why, you might ask?
These studies show that a regime such as Chen's (daily rolling, forgot the depth, but pretty sure it was over 1 mm) could increase the risk of cancer, which is why dermarolling companies advise against rolling your face more than once a month and stuff.
I wouldn't worry about it if you're needling weekly or twice a month. There was another page linked in the needling thread, but it was a scaremonger article with a conveniently placed "healthy alternative" right at the end of it (a goddamned $80 cream, holy f*****g sh*t).
The old timers such as Kitedude (been rolling for almost 6 years now) report no issue; even Chen who decided to risk it for the biscuit for the past 2 years doesn't seem to have any problems, so... Yeah. Do y'all eat sausages? Cause that also increases the risk of cancer. Soda? Oh yeah. People chug that sh*t on a daily basis. Also increases the risk of cancer.
In short... I don't think you should stop rolling! But I wouldn't go with Chen's regime juuuuuust to be safe.
Peace!
 

HowardWulkan

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Yeah, like just about anything has the potential to cause cancer lol

Also, if the argument is that repeated inflammation/skin injury causes it, that would be mean ppl who suffer from chronic skin conditions like eczema or acne would constantly be getting skin cancer?
 

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Hey all,

I recently started dermaroller once every 2 weeks. When i had decided to start i already had a 0.7 mm roller at home so i started with it. And man, it hurts! but I kept on going because I really want to see results. I see people talk about 1.5 - 2.5 mm rollers, but I already bleed heavily at 0.7 mm, check Telogen Effluvium images. Is that normal or is that oke?

Shall I continue with 0.7 mm or does it make no sense?
 

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Renegade000

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Has anyone gotten results from rolling every 3 weeks? Is a 2 week frequency generally the minimum frequency for results?
 

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Has anyone tried the ultima A7 and compared with dermapen 2? I dont want to order dermapen due autistic staff.. I dont want them to be mad at me for a random reason and leave me with no cartridges.
 

Nergenss

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Hey all,

I recently started dermaroller once every 2 weeks. When i had decided to start i already had a 0.7 mm roller at home so i started with it. And man, it hurts! but I kept on going because I really want to see results. I see people talk about 1.5 - 2.5 mm rollers, but I already bleed heavily at 0.7 mm, check Telogen Effluvium images. Is that normal or is that oke?

Shall I continue with 0.7 mm or does it make no sense?

Boys??
 

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Can someone clear up the possibility of shock loss? I'm like 99% sure thats what I've done to my right temple as I went super hard on it, and my left temple is like a norwood 0, so I concentrate on the right totally. Will this sh*t grow back?
 

jccj

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How long have you been rolling and anything else in your regimen? Recently start min, etc?

Can someone clear up the possibility of shock loss? I'm like 99% sure thats what I've done to my right temple as I went super hard on it, and my left temple is like a norwood 0, so I concentrate on the right totally. Will this sh*t grow back?
 

Jay_7862587

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Hi everyone. Thanks for the great information in this thread. I'm a Norwood 3 vertex, 34 yo. Losing hair slowly since I was about 20.

I've come across microneedling when using minoxidil to fix a patchy beard (going well, but ongoing), and after seeing some research and reading this thread I decided to get serious about my male pattern baldness as well. I've spend/wasted almost a complete day (o_O) going down the rabbit hole and this is the plan I've come up with...

I will start microneedling once a week (derminator 2) and applying minoxidil once a day.

I have the feeling that a topical DHT blocker would stop or reverse the hair loss from another angle, so adding a topical DHT blocker makes a lot of sense to me... I don't want to block DHT systemically so oral finasteride isn't an option (I already had some hormonal issues in the past).
Are there any tips/recommendations on this front? As far as I've seen, there are some ketoconazole (Nizoral) or azaleic acid shampoos, but they don't provide good results... The research/information I've seen so far seems a bit shoddy on topical blockers, but maybe there is something popular in the community that I'm missing?
For now, I will try a mix of rosemary, coconut and peppermint oil and leave that in for a couple of hours on some days.
 

Pigeon

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Hi everyone. Thanks for the great information in this thread. I'm a Norwood 3 vertex, 34 yo. Losing hair slowly since I was about 20.

I've come across microneedling when using minoxidil to fix a patchy beard (going well, but ongoing), and after seeing some research and reading this thread I decided to get serious about my male pattern baldness as well. I've spend/wasted almost a complete day (o_O) going down the rabbit hole and this is the plan I've come up with...

I will start microneedling once a week (derminator 2) and applying minoxidil once a day.

I have the feeling that a topical DHT blocker would stop or reverse the hair loss from another angle, so adding a topical DHT blocker makes a lot of sense to me... I don't want to block DHT systemically so oral finasteride isn't an option (I already had some hormonal issues in the past).
Are there any tips/recommendations on this front? As far as I've seen, there are some ketoconazole (Nizoral) or azaleic acid shampoos, but they don't provide good results... The research/information I've seen so far seems a bit shoddy on topical blockers, but maybe there is something popular in the community that I'm missing?
For now, I will try a mix of rosemary, coconut and peppermint oil and leave that in for a couple of hours on some days.
Get on zix, there's a thread on this forum.
 

Bill_Russo

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Hey dude.
The general consensus is that wounding is ONLY achieved at depths between 1.5 and 2 mm (or even 2.5 mm). We reached this conclusion because this is how the studies do it.
Try 1 mm and see how you fare. Then slowly increase the depth as you get comfortable.
You can always use some numbing cream too.
Best of luck!
 

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Is anyone using iodine per at least one of the studies? If so, can you share what you do?
 
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