male pattern baldness compounded with other things

[CaptainForehead]

Man... thats the power of the poonnany right there...drives people insane :dunno:

Yes...yes it does.

 

[CaptainForehead]

OK, my sob story :woot:

I am in my mid 30s and never even kissed a girl (beat that fellows!)

Started balding at 13, and was NW6 at 22
I have two congenitally missing two front teeth. Recently I got my teeth straightened out to get implants, but was laid off in between and had to shift continents. As a result of the break between ortho treatment and implants, my two front teeth became tilted :sobbing: I didnt even realise it. Anyway got implants (Doctor managed inspite of the tilted teeth), grew a beard, and was finally not hating what I saw in the mirror that I developed an autoimmune disorder (apparently unrelated to the implants). I got big black blotches, concentrated on my head, half an inch in diameter. Also on my body. So no sexy shiny bald head now...it looks like it is rotting. Fortunately I moved again, and the disease seems to have stopped but the blotches apparently are permanent). The docs were thinking of putting me on meds in case my immune system started attacking my internal organs.

Its like unhappiness is preordained. Like baldness for some people is just a symptom of some basic flaw in the design. I have been told by Chinese alternative medicine guy that I have a weak liver.

I also have a girly voice, very very weak eyebrows (I cant remember if I had good eyebrows before I started balding). A fat face (thicker/fatter lower face than upper). And also asymmetrical.

My bro is 40, and as far as I can tell he is a virgin too. He has been rejected by a few girls after trying some online dating, and he took it a bit hard. But it seems he had given up long before (he is at like 35-40% bodyfat, gained about 65-70lbs after college). I have suffered from depression (unrelated to baldness, and also low energy), and can now hear signs of it in his tone too. His self esteem is now in the toilet. He has a decent job, but noone to share it with, and no prospects of advancing in his job.

I was feeling down this year, at my age I realised it was unlikely I was suddenly going to become attractive. Age had beaten me. 10 years younger it would have been different. But then I started feeling better --- I thought "escorts...why the heck not???" There was some hope to experience the promised land :woot: So I'm now back at the gym, losing weight; now at 22% body fat. Still need to bring it down to 10% or so, to make my face look not so fat.

 

[HairPieceMan]

holy f*** man.

how did you survive high scool with a Norwood, were you NW3 at 16/17 or something?

well looks like we were both bald at my age, its a funny age to be bald, your peer group think your doing it as a style like through choise and you can still grow your hair, they say things like "maybe you will grow it back later?", they don't understand male pattern baldness, its not until your peer group reaches 25-32 that they go "ah hes shaving bald becuase he is losing it genetically" - it's a really funny thing the difference in 5 years makes.

so you got your hair back in blotches? does it look ok? if it looks like crap you should "man up" and get a wig, just say "f*** it i need this" and get a wig so you have hair like brad pitt or johnny depp, you should see the hair on ba hair apprent forums, these guys look amazing same as the movie stars wear like john travolta in pulp fiction (wig).

i also developed weak eyebrows due to hairloss, you should tint and use eyebrow powder every 3 weeks and try eyebrow pen, aparently using rogain on your eyebrows works but i never bothered with it, try to save them naturally, I looked into eyebrow wigs they dont look good, you can tatoo eyebrows but it looks obvious and you don't get away with it like girls do, try my above suggestions and don't try to use eyebrow wigs or tatoos.

HOLY CRAP there is no need to be a virgin in 30s, if that happens with me i will go escort route, yes just use escorts for now, fix your physicality issues with your hair, you should be good to go with good hair i think.

also buy the book the game by neil strauss, learn lots of lines/routines, don't give up on the dream, realise that you can push past physicalitys with women but it's still best to try to look within normailty range, aspire to become the best you can be, even if it's wigs and fake teeth to make you feel normal...learn to dress well to, with the wig you should try to look awesome with your hair, you should be proud of it and makea loud statement with it, even if it aint yours!

age is NEVER an issue for men, if your 25 you can get attrative 21 yr olds,, if your 35 you can get attractive 21 year olds or 31 year olds, if your 45 get atractive 35 year olds, you will always be able to get attractive girls no matter what age for a man.

I am not giving up on the dream, the lifestyle i want to obtain, my height gets me down a lot as it's the only issue i have, in fact if truth be told i have had a lot of sleepless nights over my height, and cried a few times due to it, lack of height ( 5 4, 5 2, 5 0) really destroys a man, if i was 5 2 i would probably refuse to leave the door and book in for LL as example, but starting tomorow i will stop thinking about my height and try to learn more game and forget about height surgery.

 

[s.a.f]

Ladies and gents we have a new replacement for CCS!!

 

[CaptainForehead]

unk: Yup, I was NW3 at 15, and went on rogaine (my dad would not let me on it earlier due to my age). It really kicked in high gear at 15..my hair would fall out in clumps...with the skin attached. The skin would crust over, and when I scratched it, a clump of it would come out. I would save some of the clumps .. it looked like I was growing skin on some patch in an experiment :mrgreen:

Fortunately, I was not picked on about the hair...in my high school (outside US), people were more concerned about gettiing into college. And I guess they were uncomfortable about it, in my country, its very very very rare to go bald before late 20s. So they did not feel comfortable even mentioning it, like I had some disability. (The jokes and pokes started coming in my late 20s.)

Then I got into college, but the gender ratio was messed up --- 30(thirty) boys for every girl, so that shot my hopes of girl interaction right in face :mrgreen:

Then moved across countries, and had to battle culture issues in addition.

No, the black blotches are not hair, the black blotches are severe skin discoloration, from the immune system attacking the pigment producing cells.

aspire to become the best you can be,

Yup I agree. Great words to live by.

I am not giving up on the dream, the lifestyle i want to obtain, my height gets me down a lot as it's the only issue i have, in fact if truth be told i have had a lot of sleepless nights over my height, and cried a few times due to it, lack of height ( 5 4, 5 2, 5 0) really destroys a man, if i was 5 2 i would probably refuse to leave the door and book in for LL as example, but starting tomorow i will stop thinking about my height and try to learn more game and forget about height surgery.

Good for you. Yeah, there is a big difference between 5.2 and 5.4. You are short, but normal (I have had colleagues as tall as you).

This very famous fellow was only an inch taller than you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Priest

 

[CaptainForehead]

Ladies and gents we have a new replacement for CCS!!

Who me? :mrgreen:

And what was CCS' story?

 

[s.a.f]

No hairpiece man.
CCS was relativley normal guy, average really but had a severe complex about his physical appearance comparing himself to Jocks and movie stars so he had a complex about every part of himself and resolved to change himself through science ect. Only then would he feel confident in himself to try and attract women because he seemed to believe that a woman wont accept anything less than Brad Pitt types in a man.
His obbsessions developed into some OCD type lifestyle behaviour.
In the end he ended up a 30 yr old virgin and social misfit who despite having a good mind for science fluffed his studies because he was too busy obbsessing with his looks.

 

[HairPieceMan]

well captian forehead and me actually have problems, i think CCS didnt have other real problems outside hairloss, i myself had 4 main problems (bald,very short, yellow teeth, glasses)

but yeah we are both NW5+s in early 20s.

you should wear a hair system, i do not understand why you are not wearing a hair system?

im not sure on your weight issue, but I believe hair is more important than a little weight for a man.

if i was overweight and bald i would think "what's the point" to losing weight as id still be bald, so try hair system.

as i said before i do beleive 5 4 is normal but as i said it JUST makes the threshold of normality without being labeled circus freak, it is like you are at the bottom of the barrel for normality in male height, the least desireable height for a man within "normality short" men.

5 11 = tall

5 9 = average

5 4 - 5 7 = the normally short range

5 0 - 5 3 = circus freak (people will stare at you and think you are a kid, you are invisible to women)

while this is unfair i have to state what i believe society would view you as at these heights.

well did CCS actually HAVE NW5 in early 20s? anyway the point is to move on with life, make the best of yourself, i don't obsess over little things that dont matter, my 4 main things were what they were, the other 3 things that make me seem like CCS was - as i said- just icing on the cake, just mild improvements, the 4 main things are there, 3 of them fixed, and the height has a semi fix. im not going to start complaining about anything else, that's trivial.

 

[ghg]

So... you think about these things a lot, eh, HPM? I'm only 5'7" but height has never been an issue for me. I wouldn't mind being like 5'9" or something but for me it's a non-issue being short.

 

[HairPieceMan]

yeah I would like to be 5 7, i am just one LL operation from being 5 7, i would be content with 5 7.

 

[CaptainForehead]

No hairpiece man.
CCS was relativley normal guy, average really but had a severe complex about his physical appearance comparing himself to Jocks and movie stars so he had a complex about every part of himself and resolved to change himself through science ect. Only then would he feel confident in himself to try and attract women because he seemed to believe that a woman wont accept anything less than Brad Pitt types in a man.
His obbsessions developed into some OCD type lifestyle behaviour.
In the end he ended up a 30 yr old virgin and social misfit who despite having a good mind for science fluffed his studies because he was too busy obbsessing with his looks.

What happened to him after that? Is he still active on the forums?

 

[CaptainForehead]

you should wear a hair system, i do not understand why you are not wearing a hair system?

Because that would mess with my self confidence, I would feel like a fake. I dont have the option of having it permanently glued on as I have dermatitis on my scalp. Plus, I would get teased no end from my relatives and friends who know me as bald.

im not sure on your weight issue, but I believe hair is more important than a little weight for a man.

I dont have a "weight issue". I'm fairly lean at about 20-22% BF. Can see a 4 pack on an empty stomach now. Plus, I have some muscle on. However, because of my facial bone structure and tendency to put weight on my face, I dont have the slim long face that looks good bald. No other look works bald as far as I know. I thus need to drop to 10% BF to try to get a thinner face.

You know the side 45 degree fact shot --- in between frontal and a sideways shot? My face looks decent in it and not fat. Can see the angle from my cheekbones down to my chin. Full frontal --- some fat needs to disappear from my cheeks, I think it will look better.

I think I've lost about 6-7% fat this year, it has made a huge difference in my facial appearance

if i was overweight and bald i would think "what's the point" to losing weight as id still be bald, so try hair system.

Overweight+bald = Ugly
Bald + lean = Decent
I have also grown a beard, and I think it suits me. I have styled it so that it has some angles in it, giving my face a more angular apperance.

I have been thinking about getting some eyebrow implants though --- mine are very thin and unmasculine. Doesnt look very normal. I wear glasses, so that takes away the focus from the eyebrows, so thats a plus. Eyeglasses are also angular, so thats another bonus.

as i said before i do beleive 5 4 is normal but as i said it JUST makes the threshold of normality without being labeled circus freak, it is like you are at the bottom of the barrel for normality in male height, the least desireable height for a man within "normality short" men.

5 11 = tall

5 9 = average

5 4 - 5 7 = the normally short range

5 0 - 5 3 = circus freak (people will stare at you and think you are a kid, you are invisible to women)

while this is unfair i have to state what i believe society would view you as at these heights.
.

I think its as follows:
6'+ tall
5.9 - 5.11 average
5.6-5.8 on the short side
5.4 - 5.5 short
5.1-5.3 very short
4.7- 5.0 abnormally short
< 4.6 midget

 

[CaptainForehead]

So... you think about these things a lot, eh, HPM? I'm only 5'7" but height has never been an issue for me. I wouldn't mind being like 5'9" or something but for me it's a non-issue being short.

To be fair, 5.4 is a LOT different than 5.7
Plus, I the competition matters. Which country are you from ghg? Many folks in the US are quite tall, that may skew HPM's opinion about himself. Many regions in Europe house not so giant people. This is reflected in clothing sizes... an XL in US is actually an XXl or XXXL in EU. You can check the clothing labels :mrgreen:

Maybe HPM should consider relocating to EU.

 

[HairPieceMan]

i am 5 4 but in shoe lift im 5 6.5 + spiked up hair im 5 7 so now i have reached the height of my dad and brother are, smart thing the shoe lifts!

anyway neil strauss was 5 8 in lifts, it's hardly the end of the world however i would like one LL sugery to rid myself of this curse.

anyway i know how you feel at the hairpiece thing, it is wierd first time, your like "wtf" mainly becuase YOU KNOW it's not yours, maybe it would be different if you got it before any major hairloss, but if you've been bald before it's kindof like very disturbing mentally, not many people can push past that mental block in order to get hair back.

anyway I hope you find peace with yourself in whatever you do.

 

[HairPieceMan]

yes well my new hair system should arrive in the next week or so, thus i should be ready to date.

i think for this height problem i will wear these shoes instead

http://www.tallmenshoes.com/t30801.html

they are extra heightening, should bring me to 5 8 or there abouts, that way i wont be penalised with women for being short.

and when i take them off i will simply say im wearing these until i book in my height surgery.

im not really lying about my height since i plan to actually be that tall eventually, actually i'll end up one inch taller ( 5 8 + 1 inch normal shoe )

i will also go after short girls mostly anyway, most shoes make people 1 inch taller, these just have a 3 inch heel inside them.

also after checking my wingspan the most i can lengthen would be 4 inches, making me go from 5 4 to 5 8.

so to round up

1. for now im 5 4 barefoot and 5 8 in those shoes

2. plan to get a short girl as a relationship type girl

3. convince her to go to foreign country with me for LL

4. become 5 8 barefoot, and 5 9 in normal shoe out of a shop.

5. burn lifts in a fire and say i beat short stature and crappy hairloss to (with the wig)

THEN I CAN LIVE MY LIFE AS A NORMAL PERSON!

 

[s.a.f]

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[cantholdmedown]

yes well my new hair system should arrive in the next week or so, thus i should be ready to date.

i think for this height problem i will wear these shoes instead

http://www.tallmenshoes.com/t30801.html

they are extra heightening, should bring me to 5 8 or there abouts, that way i wont be penalised with women for being short.

and when i take them off i will simply say im wearing these until i book in my height surgery.

im not really lying about my height since i plan to actually be that tall eventually, actually i'll end up one inch taller ( 5 8 + 1 inch normal shoe )

i will also go after short girls mostly anyway, most shoes make people 1 inch taller, these just have a 3 inch heel inside them.

also after checking my wingspan the most i can lengthen would be 4 inches, making me go from 5 4 to 5 8.

so to round up

1. for now im 5 4 barefoot and 5 8 in those shoes

2. plan to get a short girl as a relationship type girl

3. convince her to go to foreign country with me for LL

4. become 5 8 barefoot, and 5 9 in normal shoe out of a shop.

5. burn lifts in a fire and say i beat short stature and crappy hairloss to (with the wig)

THEN I CAN LIVE MY LIFE AS A NORMAL PERSON!

Although I think you should see a therapist, good luck with your goals. I respect a guy with some conviction at least.

However you might want to rethink #3, that's going to be the hardest part of the plan.

 

[HairPieceMan]

thank you!

many LL patients bring a partner along for the journey, it is a 6 month journey each time.

I will probably do 2 inches in my late 20s, making me 5 6, so hopeully then i can wear 2 inch lifts

then do another 2 inches in early 30s, making me 5 8, and then i wont have to wear lifts.

but there really isn't anything else I have a problem with.

 

[uncomfortable man]

As I've said elsewhere, CONFORMITY is a powerful motivator.

 

[HairPieceMan]

exactly, if i were 5 8 (a somewhat "medium or ok height") i woulnd't even consider this surgery.

I'd also like to see these "emo" people who think there against the system to instead of having their "against the system" emo haircut they instead shave the top of their head and grow out horseshoe, now THATS A REAL GUY THAT DOESN'T GIVE A sh*t ABOUT WHAT SOCIETY THINKS OF HIM.

in fact i guess larry david is the ultimate guy that doesn't give a crap about society, just by growing out his horshoe in that manner.

he is truly against the system, not these other fakes, they dont even know what it's like to be REALLY different, there just "alternative" different which is basically just a fashion statement.