Discussion in 'New Research, Studies, and Technologies' started by Swoop, Jul 2, 2016.
Any news on this yet?
What is the status of the topical Swoop?
how did you dissolve equol?
Does it actually reach the follicles though?
@Swoop Why not include CB? Avoiding all AAs?
Will give update on this by the end of the week.
I have been a long time lurker and very rare poster on this website, I just want to take some time to thank Swoop. Every post I read he has some input that is informative and educational ( at least for me!). Looking at this topical, the ingredients seem very promising and being able to apply all of them at once is a major convenience.
If you need anything to speed up the process or any type of help, please let me know! I would love to be a part of this
Any update, @Swoop?
I know the last days were full of much-anticipated discussions, but...any news on Swoop-o-Grower ??
@Swoop we all definitely appreciate you doing this! keep it up. My question is in regard to inflammation / scalp sensations. Has it helped at all?
Ok, first of all sorry for the delay. I have been preoccupied with several things lately.. Plus I have also helped with this site (interviews, recent pipeline, articles,).
The sourcing of these ingredients is actually the easy part. Pretty much all of these ingredients are in stock throughout China and assayed at 98% minimum. What only would rest to do is buy these ingredients in a high quantity so you can benefit from economies of scale. The more you buy, the cheaper it is basically. That's how it goes with any compound pretty much, even if it's a custom synthesis. The next step after this would be to test all compounds to make sure it is the right compound and it is indeed of minimum 98% purity like assayed.
I asked both Ziom and Kane, the former couldn't make half of the ingredients happen and Kane can. I could convince Kane to buy these ingredients in a high quantity to keep the price very low by saying that there is enough of demand.
However even then if he would buy all these ingredients there are two problems. The first problem is like I said mixing these ingredients into one formulation although I believe that is pretty manageable. The other problem however stands and that one is pretty hard. It's actually distributing the ready made stuff.
Believe it or not shipping actual ready topicals (liquid) from China is not doable. However what's probably doable is a cream-gel like formulation. Remember, this would be for the ready formulation, getting these separate compounds isn't so hard.
Anyway I need more time, but we'll get there.
Thanks for the update, Swoop. Do you think it'd be prohibitively expensive for me to buy some of the ingredients from kane myself to try in the meantime? Like you said, it's cheaper to buy in larger quantities, but if it's not ridiculous I would do it
Is this happening?
I would jump on this without hesitation. Where could I as a individual start looking for these ingredients in China if there is long delays? Or is it basically impossible?
@Swoop any suggestions for a good topical solution penetrator? I have been using dimethyl isosorbide (DMI) at 5% for a solution consisting of eqoul, black seed oil, saw palmetto, and beta sitosterol.
It is insoluble in hydrogenated castor oil, lanolin, mineral oils and silicone oil (dimethicone).
had you problems with solubility of SP or black seed oil?
No issues with those two (that I know of) but getting beta sitosterol to disperse and dissolve has been a challenge. I do have polysorbate 80 to help with the oils.
Thanks. I guess it really is trial and error. I feel like I have become a junior chemist.
Regarding making your own topical, does anyone have experience with alternatives to lipsomal delivery but of a similar intent (Phlojel, or ??)?