Losing Hairline At 20? Or Maturing? Agh..

Pigeon

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Definitely try zix first and best in combination with needling.

Fina will wreck your endocrine system and sooner or later you will get sides.
 

Hairanoia

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Definitely try zix first and best in combination with needling.

Fina will wreck your endocrine system and sooner or later you will get sides.
Thank you. I feel like a lot of people on here are way too hasty in telling people to hop on finasteride at the first signs of balding..

A couple months of trying zix just seems more logical to me.
 

Pigeon

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Thank you. I feel like a lot of people on here are way too hasty in telling people to hop on finasteride at the first signs of balding..

A couple months of trying zix just seems more logical to me.
Of course, absolutely crazy to tell a young guy to jump on fina without any hesitation instead of trying every alternative first. Check out the big zix thread.

Btw you can try zix on its own for a couple of months, if that doesn't help add microneedling. (follica patent advises 1mm depth 1x/2weeks) Or if you want to go hardcore, check Ezekiel https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...nxodil-results-from-tressless.117746/page-585

Also funny nobody ever talks about getting a full hormone panel before hopping on fina, this should be standard. So watch out for the fina crew, it should be a last resort and not a first line of defense.
 

Hairanoia

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Of course, absolutely crazy to tell a young guy to jump on fina without any hesitation instead of trying every alternative first. Check out the big zix thread.

Btw you can try zix on its own for a couple of months, if that doesn't help add microneedling. (follica patent advises 1mm depth 1x/2weeks) Or if you want to go hardcore, check Ezekiel https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...nxodil-results-from-tressless.117746/page-585

Also funny nobody ever talks about getting a full hormone panel before hopping on fina, this should be standard. So watch out for the fina crew, it should be a last resort and not a first line of defense.
Perfect. You're talking some sense. I plan on maintaining my minoxidil once a day/dermaroller once a week schedule once I start zix. Some people worry that zix and minoxidil work against each other, but if I apply zix in the morning and minoxidil at night, maybe that would be enough time for the contents to absorb?

I just don't want to halt minoxidil completely while trying this, as I'd be bound to shed a lot...
 

Pigeon

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Sounds good yeah. I'm not really a fan of minoxidil but it's much better than fina for sure.
 

Niki99

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Like I said your decision. You are definitely not too young tho and you are definitely not at the stage where you can say "oh the first sign of hairloss". But I can perfectly understand if you don't want to go the finasteride route just yet. Here are many people who love it to death and also others who act like it's the devil personified and it 100% will destroy your life. None of these people are right.
 

Hairanoia

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Like I said your decision. You are definitely not too young tho and you are definitely not at the stage where you can say "oh the first sign of hairloss". But I can perfectly understand if you don't want to go the finasteride route just yet. Here are many people who love it to death and also others who act like it's the devil personified and it 100% will destroy your life. None of these people are right.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying I myself am at the first signs of balding (though it’s not terrible yet). But it’s been my observation that people on here hastily tell others that they should hop on finasteride immediately, even when their signs are slight. I just don’t think that’s a wise decision. In the end, you’re right about neither crew being right though.

I imagine I’ll take the risk too if none of my other treatments help at all. Playing it by ear, but being watchful.
 

WaccWaccWacc

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Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying I myself am at the first signs of balding (though it’s not terrible yet). But it’s been my observation that people on here hastily tell others that they should hop on finasteride immediately, even when their signs are slight. I just don’t think that’s a wise decision. In the end, you’re right about neither crew being right though.

I imagine I’ll take the risk too if none of my other treatments help at all. Playing it by ear, but being watchful.

well the reality is those who tell you not to hop on it have had sides and those who tell u to hop on it have not have sides. You will be the same, hate it if you have sides, and vice versa.

at the end of the day, you are bothered by the state of your hair enough to post on this forum, therefore if it advanced further and you hopped on finasteride and you didnt get regrowth to your current state now, you’d wish you tried it now.

In all, you still have a way to go before styling becomes a problem, therefore try you zix route and hopefully that saves you for a decent amount of time.
 

Hairanoia

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well the reality is those who tell you not to hop on it have had sides and those who tell u to hop on it have not have sides. You will be the same, hate it if you have sides, and vice versa.

at the end of the day, you are bothered by the state of your hair enough to post on this forum, therefore if it advanced further and you hopped on finasteride and you didnt get regrowth to your current state now, you’d wish you tried it now.

In all, you still have a way to go before styling becomes a problem, therefore try you zix route and hopefully that saves you for a decent amount of time.
Very true. I’ll treat these next couple months as my critical point...I’ll know afterwards whether I need to take finasteride or not.

Bottom line is I need some type of DHT blocker in my regimen. That’s what I’ve been missing all this time...
 

pegasus2

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The reason people say hop on finasteride early is because it maintains hair, but it doesn't grow frontotemporal hair back for most people. Once you reach the point where you are desperate enough to use finasteride it is too late. That's the trap so many people get caught in. If you use finasteride when you are happy with your hair it keeps it that way , but everyone waits until they reach a point where they are unhappy with their hair. Then finasteride stops further loss, but you're still stuck with hair that you aren't happy with.
 

WaccWaccWacc

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The reason people say hop on finasteride early is because it maintains hair, but it doesn't grow frontotemporal hair back for most people. Once you reach the point where you are desperate enough to use finasteride it is too late. That's the trap so many people get caught in. If you use finasteride when you are happy with your hair it keeps it that way , but everyone waits until they reach a point where they are unhappy with their hair. Then finasteride stops further loss, but you're still stuck with hair that you aren't happy with.

aaaaaand there goes 8k for a hair transplant.
 

DoctorHouse

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There a few things going on with your situation. One is that you have fine hair with slightly below average natural density. Second you have a natural uneven hairline with cowlicks at the hairline( yes, you can have a cowlick at the hairline). It does appear you are diffusely thinning in a NW2A pattern but your crown looks suspicious. If you can post a photo of your hair wet showing your crown and hairline, that would help.

I honestly think minoxidil is dose dependent based on what I have read from some doctors online. I feel if you are not going to use finasteride then at least try to use minoxidil twice per day. And I have noticed if I use minoxidil vs when I don't, that I have some slight swelling below my eyes(bags under my eyes). This happens even more when my sodium intake is higher too. The reason behind this is that your temporal area of you scalp can drain into the same vasculature that is shared by your eyes.

If I were in your situation I would consider going with a topical finasteride minoxidil combo that you can get a hair loss doctor to prescribe. You need some type of proven DHT blocker if you want to slow down the process.
 

Hairanoia

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There a few things going on with your situation. One is that you have fine hair with slightly below average natural density. Second you have a natural uneven hairline with cowlicks at the hairline( yes, you can have a cowlick at the hairline). It does appear you are diffusely thinning in a NW2A pattern but your crown looks suspicious. If you can post a photo of your hair wet showing your crown and hairline, that would help.

I honestly think minoxidil is dose dependent based on what I have read from some doctors online. I feel if you are not going to use finasteride then at least try to use minoxidil twice per day. And I have noticed if I use minoxidil vs when I don't, that I have some slight swelling below my eyes(bags under my eyes). This happens even more when my sodium intake is higher too. The reason behind this is that your temporal area of you scalp can drain into the same vasculature that is shared by your eyes.

If I were in your situation I would consider going with a topical finasteride minoxidil combo that you can get a hair loss doctor to prescribe. You need some type of proven DHT blocker if you want to slow down the process.
Thanks for your input. I’ve started doing minoxidil twice a day now, as my dad who’s been using it for years told me the same thing. I’ve also noticed some minor swelling below my eyes since using it, but I can deal with that. When I go the finasteride route, I’ll definitely consider doing topical first. Are the risks less significant?

Also, started taking saw palmetto twice a day this weekend. Not as potent as finasteride, I know, but hopefully I’ll be seeing some results.
 

Hairanoia

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The reason people say hop on finasteride early is because it maintains hair, but it doesn't grow frontotemporal hair back for most people. Once you reach the point where you are desperate enough to use finasteride it is too late. That's the trap so many people get caught in. If you use finasteride when you are happy with your hair it keeps it that way , but everyone waits until they reach a point where they are unhappy with their hair. Then finasteride stops further loss, but you're still stuck with hair that you aren't happy with.
I totally understand this, by the way. But for myself, to hop on it immediately is risky. I may have some underlying autoimmune issue (working towards a diagnosis, but Corona is making this difficult—can’t even get in until August), and who knows what long term effects I could end up with even if they don’t manifest immediately...

However, I’m very much keeping it in mind. I’ll reevaluate in a few months.
 

pegasus2

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I totally understand this, by the way. But for myself, to hop on it immediately is risky. I may have some underlying autoimmune issue (working towards a diagnosis, but Corona is making this difficult—can’t even get in until August), and who knows what long term effects I could end up with even if they don’t manifest immediately...

However, I’m very much keeping it in mind. I’ll reevaluate in a few months.

I don't see how finasteride would make an autoimmune disease worse, but that could be the cause of your hair loss, or at least a contributing factor. Good luck with your diagnosis.
 

Hairanoia

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I don't see how finasteride would make an autoimmune disease worse, but that could be the cause of your hair loss, or at least a contributing factor. Good luck with your diagnosis.
Yeah, I’m not too sure. That’s why I’d just want to consult with my doctor first about it (especially if they’re going to have me on some other medication). But thanks for your input, I appreciate it.
 

Pigeon

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Very true. I’ll treat these next couple months as my critical point...I’ll know afterwards whether I need to take finasteride or not.

Bottom line is I need some type of DHT blocker in my regimen. That’s what I’ve been missing all this time...
Zix is a DHT blocker although a weak one but should be more than enough for you. So no need to jump on topical fina instantly imo.
 

Hairanoia

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Update: got diagnosed with an autoimmune disease called MCTD within the last month. Sadly, it's gonna be another hurdle to jump in my hair loss battle.

Didn't end up bothering with Zix, as I didn't really find more than a couple people who claimed it worked. Here are the changes I've made in the last 4 months:
  • Saw palmetto
  • Minoxidil twice a day instead of once
  • Biotin
  • Dermarolling with 1mm roller (once a week)
I've also made some nutrition changes, such as cutting out that garbage creatine protein powder (which I was taking religiously for years to help with weight gain), adding more fruits/vegetables into my diet, and cutting out fast food as much as possible. Also taking herbal remedies for my autoimmune disease, so hopefully those can help too. Just trying to attack this from every angle.

As far as results? Nothing great to report. I still have enough hair, but I think the thinning is more widespread and I can see it extending further back. Interestingly I don't notice a crap ton of shedding, yet I know I'm losing hair. Gonna re-evaluate in a couple months and see if I'm able to take finasteride with my condition.
 
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