Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016

[FutureSaitama]

Guys, get yourself a nice cup of finasteride flavoured tea and let it die.. please.

 

[tjnpdx]

Well thank you to give me informations I had months ago and was dicussed to death after they released this statement. The statement was mainly to shut those rumors down and they did very well.

"we envisage the development of the potential product candidate being completed by 2018"

"envisage", "potential", "by 2018". This is a rule of thumb statement and could could mean a timeframe for the release between 2017 and 2019. I mean that's probabely a statement from an office dude, which had no real insight in the development of this product and just had to write a vague statement. There where more questions than answers after this statement and we could probabely discuss 500 more pages about this statement and interpret every single word but in the end we wouldn't know more.

The keyword there is 'development.' The development of a product doesn't include actually taking it to market. The point I'm hammering is that they didn't saying it would be released by 2018, which is something that people keep saying. That's why I wrote a drawn out post, to stop the perpetual misinterpretation of what they said in favor of what would be most ideal.

 

[hellouser]

So then if there's a name or some kind of un-official name like 'CB-03-01'.... then why is everyone calling by the ridiculous snake oil sounding name? Brotzu Lotion? Seriously?

And where are the scientific studies? Where are the clinical trials and before/after pics? Where is any official statement from the doctor? Where's the website with info? I haven't seen sh*t but somehow this thread has gotten up to 187 pages. It's like that Trx2 garbage that got like 400+ pages on BTT and turned out to be, you guessed it; BULLSHIT.

Everyone owes me an apology.

 

[Royaume]

Everyone owes me an apology.

But you really think that beps63 does not have any other free time activities than telling lies to some people?!

I mean I would understand it if a user trolls for some days but I cannot imagine that he told us lies...

 

[The 7TH Sense]

Everyone owes me an apology.

Is this statement for real... ?

I'm petrified, not to be offensive, you seemed to be a respectable member on this forum and you just made a total pointless comment.

So then if there's a name or some kind of un-official name like 'CB-03-01'.... then why is everyone calling by the ridiculous snake oil sounding name? Brotzu Lotion? Seriously?

I can't believe we are even discussing the effectiveness basing on name of the lotion, however:

At 00:07 a woman asks:
- "What's the name of the product?"
Brotzu:
- "I don't know, it doesn't have got a name. It will have, after the company will choose it."

The doctor himself is saying it does not have a name. If you prefer to call it "the-One-who-must-not-be-named" or "the snake oil" go and pick your favourite. It's not a big new if I say that this is not a molecule nor even a compound in the chimic and scientific sense of it; it's a mixture. You can't use IUPAC / traditional rules on a mixture, but if you want to list all the compounds like:
" the union of cis,cis,cis-8,11,14-Eicosatrienoic acid plus (3R)-3-idrossi-4-trimetilamminobutanoato plus (3S)-3-(4-idrossifenil)-7-cromanolo in a liposomic fluid carrier " go on, but many won't understand.
I personally think this way:
The product is a fluid -> should be applied like a lotion -> totally invented by doctor Giovanni Brotzu -> for now it's Brotzu Lotion.
Is THAT simple.
Are you complaining? Seriously?

And where are the scientific studies? Where are the clinical trials and before/after pics? Where is any official statement from the doctor? Where's the website with info? I haven't seen sh*t but somehow this thread has gotten up to 187 pages.

1) https://www.docdroid.net/DQqlrBx/brotzu-il-dermatologo-anno-xxxvii-n1-2015-marzo.pdf.html

2) It's an extract, but you'll find the complete patent somewhere at the end:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013171668A1?cl=en

3) Here:
http://bellicapelliforum.com/dermatologia/dott-brotzu/

And here:

http://www.alopecia24.it/cura-alopecia-2016-intervista-giovanni-brotzu/

And here:

http://calvizie.net/documento.asp?args=27.1.1302

4) There's not a website containing any scammy advice like other treatments
If you are searching for one:

http://www.fidiapharma.com/en

That contains the 2 advices the company gave.

Everyone owes me an apology.

Now dude, seriously, you are a very respectable member but there's no way you can come here, read the last 2 posts and write your sentence without properly informing yourself, there are psycholabile subjects here. If you do not care to get the facts straight (like instead you do with fevi and seti and the other stuff ) you shouldn't care to pop up randomly here causing more confusion.
And... We owe you an excuse? Precisely for what? Because we were defending one of the most credible upcoming treatments and we were going against your suppositions (with even no proper knowledge of the background) ?

I do not want to be rude, REALLY, but you're totally sounding like a primadonna, here.
Nobody owes excuses to nobody, why even pretend them? And if you are convinced to be right and in need of excuses, why should we if the lotion is not out yet and nobody tested it? If we wanna go on with previsions, I'm following the thread on IESON about the results of the spatolotion and they are VERY promising...

I totally quote what @That Guy said in the post just behind yours on that page, you are totally dropping the ball here. Go and check his well-organized thread with all the news if you do bother to search yourself for infos and background.





hellouser pls

 

[tylerduren]

Hellouser is right my friend sorry

 

[ironix]

I'm following the thread on IESON about the results of the spatolotion and they are VERY promising...

Is this spatolotion still a thing? I thought it was minoxidil.

 

[Agent]

@The 7TH Sense could you maybe explain a little further about the spatolotion results you heard about on the italian forum? Did any of them get their lotion tested, or are they just reporting good results using topical finasteride mixed with minoxidil?

 

[shookones]

Is this statement for real... ?

I'm petrified, not to be offensive, you seemed to be a respectable member on this forum and you just made a total pointless comment.



I can't believe we are even discussing the effectiveness basing on name of the lotion, however:

At 00:07 a woman asks:
- "What's the name of the product?"
Brotzu:
- "I don't know, it doesn't have got a name. It will have, after the company will choose it."

The doctor himself is saying it does not have a name. If you prefer to call it "the-One-who-must-not-be-named" or "the snake oil" go and pick your favourite. It's not a big new if I say that this is not a molecule nor even a compound in the chimic and scientific sense of it; it's a mixture. You can't use IUPAC / traditional rules on a mixture, but if you want to list all the compounds like:
" the union of cis,cis,cis-8,11,14-Eicosatrienoic acid plus (3R)-3-idrossi-4-trimetilamminobutanoato plus (3S)-3-(4-idrossifenil)-7-cromanolo in a liposomic fluid carrier " go on, but many won't understand.
I personally think this way:
The product is a fluid -> should be applied like a lotion -> totally invented by doctor Giovanni Brotzu -> for now it's Brotzu Lotion.
Is THAT simple.
Are you complaining? Seriously?



1) https://www.docdroid.net/DQqlrBx/brotzu-il-dermatologo-anno-xxxvii-n1-2015-marzo.pdf.html

2) It's an extract, but you'll find the complete patent somewhere at the end:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013171668A1?cl=en

3) Here:
http://bellicapelliforum.com/dermatologia/dott-brotzu/

And here:

http://www.alopecia24.it/cura-alopecia-2016-intervista-giovanni-brotzu/

And here:

http://calvizie.net/documento.asp?args=27.1.1302

4) There's not a website containing any scammy advice like other treatments
If you are searching for one:

http://www.fidiapharma.com/en

That contains the 2 advices the company gave.



Now dude, seriously, you are a very respectable member but there's no way you can come here, read the last 2 posts and write your sentence without properly informing yourself, there are psycholabile subjects here. If you do not care to get the facts straight (like instead you do with fevi and seti and the other stuff ) you shouldn't care to pop up randomly here causing more confusion.
And... We owe you an excuse? Precisely for what? Because we were defending one of the most credible upcoming treatments and we were going against your suppositions (with even no proper knowledge of the background) ?

I do not want to be rude, REALLY, but you're totally sounding like a primadonna, here.
Nobody owes excuses to nobody, why even pretend them? And if you are convinced to be right and in need of excuses, why should we if the lotion is not out yet and nobody tested it? If we wanna go on with previsions, I'm following the thread on IESON about the results of the spatolotion and they are VERY promising...

I totally quote what @That Guy said in the post just behind yours on that page, you are totally dropping the ball here. Go and check his well-organized thread with all the news if you do bother to search yourself for infos and background.





hellouser pls

Hellouser just got schooled. I still believe brahs

 

[Royaume]

In Brotzu we trust! As it seems the only product which will or can be launched in 2018.

Imagine that you can get back your hairs from 5 years ago. I would give all of my money to get back my hair from 2013..

 

[hellouser]

Is this statement for real... ?

I'm petrified, not to be offensive, you seemed to be a respectable member on this forum and you just made a total pointless comment.



I can't believe we are even discussing the effectiveness basing on name of the lotion, however:

At 00:07 a woman asks:
- "What's the name of the product?"
Brotzu:
- "I don't know, it doesn't have got a name. It will have, after the company will choose it."

The doctor himself is saying it does not have a name. If you prefer to call it "the-One-who-must-not-be-named" or "the snake oil" go and pick your favourite. It's not a big new if I say that this is not a molecule nor even a compound in the chimic and scientific sense of it; it's a mixture. You can't use IUPAC / traditional rules on a mixture, but if you want to list all the compounds like:
" the union of cis,cis,cis-8,11,14-Eicosatrienoic acid plus (3R)-3-idrossi-4-trimetilamminobutanoato plus (3S)-3-(4-idrossifenil)-7-cromanolo in a liposomic fluid carrier " go on, but many won't understand.
I personally think this way:
The product is a fluid -> should be applied like a lotion -> totally invented by doctor Giovanni Brotzu -> for now it's Brotzu Lotion.
Is THAT simple.
Are you complaining? Seriously?



1) https://www.docdroid.net/DQqlrBx/brotzu-il-dermatologo-anno-xxxvii-n1-2015-marzo.pdf.html

2) It's an extract, but you'll find the complete patent somewhere at the end:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013171668A1?cl=en

3) Here:
http://bellicapelliforum.com/dermatologia/dott-brotzu/

And here:

http://www.alopecia24.it/cura-alopecia-2016-intervista-giovanni-brotzu/

And here:

http://calvizie.net/documento.asp?args=27.1.1302

4) There's not a website containing any scammy advice like other treatments
If you are searching for one:

http://www.fidiapharma.com/en

That contains the 2 advices the company gave.



Now dude, seriously, you are a very respectable member but there's no way you can come here, read the last 2 posts and write your sentence without properly informing yourself, there are psycholabile subjects here. If you do not care to get the facts straight (like instead you do with fevi and seti and the other stuff ) you shouldn't care to pop up randomly here causing more confusion.
And... We owe you an excuse? Precisely for what? Because we were defending one of the most credible upcoming treatments and we were going against your suppositions (with even no proper knowledge of the background) ?

I do not want to be rude, REALLY, but you're totally sounding like a primadonna, here.
Nobody owes excuses to nobody, why even pretend them? And if you are convinced to be right and in need of excuses, why should we if the lotion is not out yet and nobody tested it? If we wanna go on with previsions, I'm following the thread on IESON about the results of the spatolotion and they are VERY promising...

I totally quote what @That Guy said in the post just behind yours on that page, you are totally dropping the ball here. Go and check his well-organized thread with all the news if you do bother to search yourself for infos and background.





hellouser pls

All the news I keep hearing about this stuff is essentially stringing along everyone... I wonder why so many of you just keep tolerating questionable stuff. Haven't any of you learned from past failures or scams?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

All the news I keep hearing about this stuff is essentially stringing along everyone... I wonder why so many of you just keep tolerating questionable stuff. Haven't any of you learned from past failures or scams?

Honestly you don't come off as sensible on this.

You're a lot more enthusiastic about the combovers from histogen, the weak results from samumed, the CB0301 hitting the market in 2022, and the delays from kythera.

 

[resu]

It's time to close the thread, to think we could have a solid treatment by 2016... it's just too good to be true, nothing will come out of blue that works.

 

[Ikkaku]

I'M STILL ON THE HYPE TRAIN!!!!

 

[hellouser]

Honestly you don't come off as sensible on this.

You're a lot more enthusiastic about the combovers from histogen, the weak results from samumed, the CB0301 hitting the market in 2022, and the delays from kythera.

I see a near 400 page thread with little to show for the treatment. Wasn't the product delayed for another year or however long, another empty promise?

Also, stop it with the combover claim and Histogen, it's embarrassing.

 

[Agent]

Only ppl on forums promised that the lotion would come out in 2016, not Fidia. Maybe they will never release it. Atleast we know they are working on it...
It could have been worse than the statement they released. Imagine if Fidia had put out combover pictures made by a notorious fraud.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I see a near 400 page thread with little to show for the treatment. Wasn't the product delayed for another year or however long, another empty promise?

Also, stop it with the combover claim and Histogen, it's embarrassing.

Histogen did use different camera angles and combovers, they're the ones who should be embarrassed. They couldn't be bothered to nail something as simple as pictures.

As for this being a 400-page thread, it's because it's only one thread. Other treatments have their discussions split into multiple comparatively even threads.

 

[sunchyme1]

Histogen did use different camera angles and combovers, they're the ones who should be embarrassed. They couldn't be bothered to nail something as simple as pictures.

As for this being a 400-page thread, it's because it's only one thread. Other treatments have their discussions split into multiple comparatively even threads.

yeah f*** u hellouser!! u tell him dave

 

[tjnpdx]

Is this statement for real... ?

I'm petrified, not to be offensive, you seemed to be a respectable member on this forum and you just made a total pointless comment.



I can't believe we are even discussing the effectiveness basing on name of the lotion, however:

At 00:07 a woman asks:
- "What's the name of the product?"
Brotzu:
- "I don't know, it doesn't have got a name. It will have, after the company will choose it."

The doctor himself is saying it does not have a name. If you prefer to call it "the-One-who-must-not-be-named" or "the snake oil" go and pick your favourite. It's not a big new if I say that this is not a molecule nor even a compound in the chimic and scientific sense of it; it's a mixture. You can't use IUPAC / traditional rules on a mixture, but if you want to list all the compounds like:
" the union of cis,cis,cis-8,11,14-Eicosatrienoic acid plus (3R)-3-idrossi-4-trimetilamminobutanoato plus (3S)-3-(4-idrossifenil)-7-cromanolo in a liposomic fluid carrier " go on, but many won't understand.
I personally think this way:
The product is a fluid -> should be applied like a lotion -> totally invented by doctor Giovanni Brotzu -> for now it's Brotzu Lotion.
Is THAT simple.
Are you complaining? Seriously?



1) https://www.docdroid.net/DQqlrBx/brotzu-il-dermatologo-anno-xxxvii-n1-2015-marzo.pdf.html

2) It's an extract, but you'll find the complete patent somewhere at the end:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013171668A1?cl=en

3) Here:
http://bellicapelliforum.com/dermatologia/dott-brotzu/

And here:

http://www.alopecia24.it/cura-alopecia-2016-intervista-giovanni-brotzu/

And here:

http://calvizie.net/documento.asp?args=27.1.1302

4) There's not a website containing any scammy advice like other treatments
If you are searching for one:

http://www.fidiapharma.com/en

That contains the 2 advices the company gave.



Now dude, seriously, you are a very respectable member but there's no way you can come here, read the last 2 posts and write your sentence without properly informing yourself, there are psycholabile subjects here. If you do not care to get the facts straight (like instead you do with fevi and seti and the other stuff ) you shouldn't care to pop up randomly here causing more confusion.
And... We owe you an excuse? Precisely for what? Because we were defending one of the most credible upcoming treatments and we were going against your suppositions (with even no proper knowledge of the background) ?

I do not want to be rude, REALLY, but you're totally sounding like a primadonna, here.
Nobody owes excuses to nobody, why even pretend them? And if you are convinced to be right and in need of excuses, why should we if the lotion is not out yet and nobody tested it? If we wanna go on with previsions, I'm following the thread on IESON about the results of the spatolotion and they are VERY promising...

I totally quote what @That Guy said in the post just behind yours on that page, you are totally dropping the ball here. Go and check his well-organized thread with all the news if you do bother to search yourself for infos and background.





hellouser pls

Not sure if you can read, but @hellouser said 'apology' not 'excuse.' It was also, I would imagine, meant as a bit of a joke and not intended as seriously as you, as you say, 'pointlessly,' made it out to be. I made a comment about letting this thread die and received a bunch of dislikes, too, from a bunch of sour-pusses who are in complete denial about how absolutely ridiculous it is to continue speculating about this treatment. 90% of this thread was speculation up until the statement, and then after the statement people are trying to interpret it like they said they'd have it released by 2018 when they, very obviously, said no such thing. You're an idiot for making such a drawn out bullshit post off of a single comment made by @hellouser when he's much more informed than you on just about everything regarding this sh*t, and that is, essentially, confirmed considering the comment he referenced saying it was, up until the point he made the comment and STILL, bullshit, because we know NOTHING. Get me going making a bullshit post to mock yours. Christ.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

To recuperate from the endless pages of spam,

This treatment has a lot going for it. We know the ingredients and they make sense. It's been developed by a reputable doctor and purchased by a reputable company that is not rushing. They are funding legitimate trials. There are scientific publications backing up this product.

It won't be a miracle treatment at all, but at this time next year it stands a very good shot of replacing finasteride+minoxidil and doing so with a different side effect profile. It won't make you a fullhead, but it will maintain and maybe bring back a norwood.