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Discussion in 'Men's General Hair Loss Discussions' started by OverMachoGrande, May 3, 2009.

  1. Bryan

    Bryan Senior Member
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    Again, the "complexity" of a carb doesn't have much to do with it. Far more important is the simultaneous presence of protein, fat, and soluble (NOT insoluble) fiber, all of which slow-down the absorption process.
     
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    Where's the misterE ? Is Brains Expel Hair ?
     
  3. Hoppi

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    lol dpdr just because we're discussing the very scientifically sound idea that diet affects hair loss doesn't mean we have to be misterE :)
     
  4. Brains Expel Hair

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    Increased 1,6 bonding creates excess reducing ends that can react with a greater amount of compounds (amines in particular) to create more complex compounds. Also, starch is a soluble fiber.

    Baking potatoes have a higher glycemic index than boiling potatoes and also coincidentally have a higher ratio of amylose (1,4 bonding) to amylopectin (1,6 bonding).

    Since you seem so contented to heighten your status around here by attacking semantics instead of the actual issues I'd appreciate it if you at least tried to understand the subject before "correcting" me. I'd far greater appreciate it if you could actually try adding to a conversation instead of simply trying to put others down, of which I have seen you do far too much.
     
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    Yeah you do seem quite quick to put others down sometimes Bryan! I'm sure you both have something to add but it might be good to be a bit less antagonistic about it!
     
  6. Bryan

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    Increased 1,6 bonding creates excess reducing ends that can react with a greater amount of compounds (amines in particular) to create more complex compounds. Also, starch is a soluble fiber.[/quote:1ayxylyz]

    Are you saying ALL starch (like in bread and potatoes) is a soluble fiber? Is there some new definition of "fiber" in nutritional science that I haven't heard about yet? :)

    I'm not sure why you seem to have a stick up your ass today, but I stand by everything I said in my previous posts. If you think I was just "attacking semantics" or trying to "put you down" in my previous posts, that's YOUR problem, not mine. I will continue to challenge what I deem to be factual errors. I suggest you get used to it.
     
  7. Bryan

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    I only do that with the really incorrigible posters like misterE and Stephen Foote. If you want to know _why_ I do that with those specific individuals, I suggest you take the time to read their previous posting histories, and their previous dialogues with me.
     
  8. S Foote.

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    For the record and for anyone who is not really trained in scientific matters, i should point out the reality of Bryan Sheltons "scientific" opinions on hair loss forums.

    Below is a copy paste of a thread on another forum, where i was discussing my theory, and Bryan as usual jumped in with his amatuer impersonation of a "scientist".

    This is what a genuine "real world" phd scientist had to say about Bryans comments, in his response to me pasted below.


    "The other important thing about your article is that you provide a method
    to test its validity, That is not something that eccentric people do (I saw
    that unfortunate comment about your posting which came out of the blue and
    I was surprised that a seemingly intelligent person would resort to such
    insults for no reason and without apparent provocation). Eccentric people
    are beyond proving their statements and they are also never wrong (at least
    they will never admit to being wrong). You may be a bit of a maverick,
    challenging the overly comfortable establishment, but that is a very good
    thing to be."

    Bryan declined to comment any further in that thread.

    Bryans so called scientific expertise can only exist on internet forums where he can make himself feel important. He will certainly not ask qualified experts to comment on his views as i have done, and posted the responses on these forums. He cannot ask experts about his opinions, because he knows he will be laughed at in the "real" scientific community.

    Bryan relies on a forum turnover of newbies who he can impress with his suedo science, shouting at anyone who questions his opinions.

    The great pity in all this is he stiffles productive debates and exchange of original ideas, by putting people off from posting something they feel may make them a target of the "all knowing Bryan"

    You are a complete sham Bryan, and if you continue to post your unqualified rubbish about me, i will continue to post this information about you OK"

    The pasted response from a "real" scientist.


    » Hello S Foote,
    »
    » I read with interest the article for which you provided a link. Your
    » engineering training clearly shows in the way you deal with hairloss and it
    » is important because every complex problem requires interdisciplinary
    » involvement for a fresh look and for making some progress. I would not
    » comment on the specific details in that article because details will
    » undoubtedly change many times before they mature into a solid theory.
    » However, the basic concept of physical regulation is very important.
    »
    » My physico-chemical aging model, or the model of regressive bio-regulatory
    » feedback, which I displayed for decades in writings, lectures and seminars
    » is still difficult for many scientist to assimilate. You can read some
    » articles about this in the Journal of Topical Formulations where we
    » uploaded some of the lectures I gave in different settings. The motto
    » “bio-systems understand chemistry but don’t understand physics†is a simple
    » way to put it. Example: there is a bad car accident and the traffic is
    » blocked for miles. The emergency phone call comes in, “we need an
    » ambulanceâ€, and an ambulance is sent out but because the road is blocked by
    » cars it cannot reach the people who need it. So, another call comes in, “we
    » need an ambulance!â€, and another ambulance is sent but it too cannot reach
    » the people in need for it. Moreover, the more ambulances they send the more
    » they contribute to further clogging the road but they know how to respond
    » to emergency calls in one way only. So when they run out of ambulances they
    » get a distress signal to get more ambulances. So they purchase more
    » ambulances from the ambulance manufacturer and keep sending them in, even
    » though all they really had to do is to clear a path and then one ambulance
    » may be enough to do the job. The situation is very similar in a bio system.
    » A distress signal is sent: “we need more of a certain chemicalâ€. The body
    » sends it out but the body area in need does not know about it or the
    » chemical cannot arrive there. The body manufactures more of the chemical
    » and sends out larger and larger quantities. But the problem is different:
    » there is enough of the chemical to start with and it just cannot reach its
    » target. Synthesizing more chemicals is the way the body knows how to
    » respond and in doing so it many times aggravates the problem instead of
    » solving it. A physical solution will be to clear the obstacle (or build a
    » bridge) so that the chemicals can reach their target. The body is not well
    » equipped for such tasks and that is why bio-cycles have a general
    » degenerative pattern. Physical intervention may require intervention from
    » the outside. I applied the early version of this model as a working model
    » and developed a treatment (based on small liposomes) which reversed many
    » aging parameters after IV injection by inducing physical changes to cell
    » membranes. When I developed that treatment in the early 80is the term
    » “anti-aging†was not one to be used within the mainstream scientific
    » community. Just watch the current flow of NIH budgeting and volumes of
    » research articles and journals on this very topic to understand how the
    » system works.
    »
    » The other important thing about your article is that you provide a method
    » to test its validity, That is not something that eccentric people do (I saw
    » that unfortunate comment about your posting which came out of the blue and
    » I was surprised that a seemingly intelligent person would resort to such
    » insults for no reason and without apparent provocation). Eccentric people
    » are beyond proving their statements and they are also never wrong (at least
    » they will never admit to being wrong). You may be a bit of a maverick,
    » challenging the overly comfortable establishment, but that is a very good
    » thing to be. Mavericks are the stem cells who grow new organs replacing
    » old, rusty, and shriveling degenerative limbs in many aspects of life and
    » social issues. Whether you are right or wrong about the details or the
    » model you suggested is much less important than taking a second look at
    » things which are “well established†and maintaining energy toward finding
    » new solutions.
    »
    » Some suggestions regarding your article:
    »
    » There are several blood supply routes to the face and scalp which branch
    » into several large networks of tiny capillaries. Practically, they are
    » separated enough from each other to act almost as if they are separate
    » blood supplies Before you block something on the face in the hope that it
    » will prevent its accumulation down the road (on the scalp), find out
    » whether the areas you intend to block originate from the same artery as the
    » scalp area of interest. You can look this up in blood supply distribution
    » color maps in anatomy atlases.
    »
    » There are two types of sweat glands; the eccrine glands and the apocrine
    » glands. Only the apocrine glands, which are triggered by emotions, develop
    » during puberty in areas rich in hair follicles, such as the scalp,
    » underarms, and genitals. These glands are not involved in temperature
    » regulation.
    »
    » I also have a suggestion about how you can test one aspect of the sweating
    » theory for less than $3. Use an anti-perspirant (not a deodorant) which is
    » based on temporarily plugging the sweat outlets and therefore the sweat
    » glands may stay in an inflated position rather than a deflated position.
    » Every anti-perspirant on the market (they are actually OTC drugs, not
    » cosmetics as are the deodorants) works that way. I am not suggesting that
    » you actually experiment with that because clogging pores may result in
    » blackheads or whiteheads or acne outbreak. I mean it as a theoretical
    » exercise. Aluminum ions are common in anti-perspirants’ active ingredients.
    » Theoretically speaking (don’t try it in your home), using anti-perspirants
    » on the scalp may keep sweat glands full and reduce the production of sebum
    » in the scalp (if this part of your theory indeed holds).
    »
    » According to the ACS, sweat glands are not connected to the lymph nodes
    » and sweating is not a significant way for removal of toxins from the body.
    » I don’t know if this has a significant role in your theory at this time but
    » it may be important as you develop it.
    »
    » As for the DHT theory, this may be one chemical which is largely
    » misinterpreted. DHT is a potent anabolic chemical which generally means
    » that it builds the body; it makes the body large and strong and in the
    » process it may cause some harm, or does it? I mean does it cause direct
    » harm or does the system stress-out from trying to cope with too much
    » anabolic pressure? Example: You plant seeds in small seed-starting
    » containers. When they sprout you are supposed to transfer them to larger
    » containers so they can develop and grow and stretch their roots a little
    » more. Now here the analogy to hair growth is very clear. If the sprouts are
    » not transferred in time the roots will not be able to spread and the sprout
    » will grow a little but not much and will be very thin and in the end it
    » will die. If you wait with the sprout in the small container until it shows
    » some stress and than transfer it to a larger container with simple soil it
    » may recover and keep growing normally. What will happen if you transfer it
    » instead to a large pot with extremely rich soil? It actually may die as
    » well instead of recovering because the pressure to grow fast and quick by
    » the very rich soil creates stress on the not very healthy sprout, which can
    » kill it. If the hair follicles are like sprouts in a container which is not
    » large enough and you give them DHT which for this scenario I will name a
    » strong “fertilizerâ€, the result may be that the follicle will be under more
    » pressure to grow than it can take and eventually it will shrink very fast
    » until it may die. In an answer to a poster in our own forum several weeks
    » ago, I suggested that a mysterious phenomenon known for a long time in
    » biology called “the oxygen paradox†is applicable to hairloss, provided an
    » explanation to the oxygen paradox is suggested. In the oxygen paradox,
    » cells and organs which are deprived of oxygen to the point that they are in
    » deep stress and then given oxygen again will often die instead of
    » recovering. In my opinion it is a case where very weak and stressed cells
    » or organs are suddenly pressured to act in full motion by the renewed
    » stream of oxygen and that can kill them. Instead, a slow recovery with
    » gradually increased oxygen should be given to these cells and organs. I
    » still have to answer that person regarding other aspects of his question
    » but this part of my answer is very relevant to DHT. If indeed you let
    » follicles recover in a simple environment but a lot of space (just like the
    » nude mice skin provide) and after they recover and become large and grow
    » hair and while they maintain their large space, they receive at that point
    » DHT. What would happen? Will it shrink the follicles again or will it
    » actually boost their growth, as they are now healthy and can cope with the
    » anabolic effects of DHT? You see, many new experiments can be suggested in
    » the moment that you start thinking out of the box. Don’t worry about
    » leaving the box; it will always remain full to capacity until another box
    » is established and the big migration begins.
    »
    » Just an after thought: in that nude mice study the follicles recovered and
    » started growing hair very quickly, almost immediately after the transplant
    » recovered in the new host. Within 7 weeks the new growing hair was already
    » visible and it grew at nearly normal speed after a little while. When
    » people use minoxidil the visible effect is expected to take many months.
    » Now think about that in terms of space for the follicle. Minoxidil does not
    » improve the space around the follicle and when you stop using it all the
    » good things it did stop and reverse almost immediately. Recovery of
    » follicle size and good space in combination with minoxidil may start the
    » recovery faster, and last much longer after the drug is discontinued.
    »
    » Thank you.
    » Elishalom Yechiel, Ph.D.
    » President
    » Elsom Research Co., Inc.
    » Elishalom Yechiel, Ph.D.
     
  9. Brains Expel Hair

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    Feel free to stand by your own factual inaccuracies, I have no problem with that. This is another thing I notice in almost every thread you post in, a complete lack of realization or at least admittance that break down's in communication can come from both sides, it's always the other persons fault that you are poor at communicating your point...

    Now, while your attempts to prove me wrong were completely incorrect I most certainly did make 1 glaring factual error in those posts. I won't point it out just yet because I'm sure you'll have fun finding it but it's a pretty big one and a slightly embarrassing one as well. Have at it, science king of the internets!
     
  10. Bryan

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    Why haven't you bothered to answer the questions I asked you, or address the points I made?

    LOL! I didn't know I was "poor at communicating my point"!

    Really? Then reply directly to the points I made.
     
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    ok so the lignans are the key here, so the flaxseed oil must be doing some good :)

    I'm really getting lost in the science stuff. so what is the basic food to stick to and stay away from? I can never stay away from dairy or potatoes, but I can eat this stuff less and eat the good stuff more. also what are your thoughts on organic milk?
     
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    LOL! I didn't know I was "poor at communicating my point"!

    Really? Then reply directly to the points I made.[/quote:2jnpulj4]

    If you're incapable of even the most simple of tasks such as scrolling up in the thread to where I actually did reply directly to the "points" you made then what use is there even trying to humor you? I did reply directly to your questions, but apparently it seems like that's not even good enough and you're only out to troll me in this thread. Please go find a more appropriate venue for your frustrations such as 4chn. If you wish to continue shoving your foot into your mouth then take it to pm's please.
     
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    You haven't replied to the points I made, and I think you damned well know it.
     
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    Everyone is really different and so as far as specific foods go that is really only something that can properly be determined between you, a dietician and an endocrinologist. Sorry for the cop-out but in reality there is no 1 blanket diet that will keep everyone in the best of health.

    If you feel you are having insulin problems then definitely take note of the types of carbohydrates you are commonly ingesting and how they rank on the glycemic index. Also go out and pick up a simple blood glucose meter from your local pharmacy, most of the meters are often times free with a mail in rebate because they'll only give you a limited number of test strips (1-time use pieces) and you have to specifically buy their type of test strips to work in their meters. Keep a small food journal describing what and about how much you eat at the different times of the day and key your blood glucose meter readings into the journal. If you notice that prolonged spikes or severe drops in your readings seem to accompany certain foods more than others then you should consider taking those out of your diet.

    The somewhat general healthy diet statement that can be made for almost everyone is to eat plenty of vegetables. Vegetables are awesome. Not only that but eat many different colors of vegetables. The nutritional content of vegetables is most often times related directly to their color and the more color they have, the more micronutrients they're (most often) going to have so shop with your eyes.

    As far as the whole organic milk thing goes, organic/conventional doesn't really have as much of an effect on dairy/beef products as grass/grain fed. If you have the option, go with grass fed as it will contain a better array of unsaturated fats and vitamins.
     
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    See PMs.
     
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    I may have to give this a go at some point too :)

    Right now I'm basically basing my diet on the region of the world I am from like... half my family is from Italy and Malta and I feel VERY connected to that side of my roots so, I've based my diet around the healthiest Italian and mediterranean foods I can think of :)

    Carbs and sugar are wackily low while still being healthy hehe, and so is fat!
     
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    thanks for the advice Brains Expel Hair. yeah I keep sticking to green vegetables, but I should definately be mixing those colours up. cool, I'll look for the grain/grass milk, though I'm not sure where they would sell it in the uk.
     
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    ah another British dude! Awesome! :)
     
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    Bryan owned by S. foote lol
     
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    Slow down S. foote or there won't be any left for me and Brains Expel Hair! xD
     

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