Hair is not Life but it's Pretty Damn Close; HRT and Pictorial Posts Prove it.

How far are you willing to go to restore a full head of hair?

  • Full-blown Feminization

    Votes: 29 15.3%
  • Slight Gyno

    Votes: 36 18.9%
  • Slight Breast Growth

    Votes: 19 10.0%
  • Only "Male" Treatments

    Votes: 68 35.8%
  • Dude, I won't even touch finasteride

    Votes: 38 20.0%

  • Total voters
    190

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Fire And Rain​

James Taylor
Just yesterday mornin', they let me know you were gone
Suzanne, the plans they made put an end to you
I walked out this morning and I wrote down this song
I just can't remember who to send it to
I've seen fire and I've seen rain
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend
But I always thought that I'd see you again
Won't you look down upon me, Jesus?
You've got to help me make a stand
You've just got to see me through another day
My body's aching and my time is at hand
And I won't make it any other way
Oh, I've seen fire and I've seen rain
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend
But I always thought that I'd see you again
Been walking my mind to an easy time
My back turned towards the sun
Lord knows, when the cold wind blows
It'll turn your head around
Well, there's hours of time on the telephone line
To talk about things to come
Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground
Oh, I've seen fire and I've seen rain
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend
But I always thought that I'd see you, baby
One more time again, now
Thought I'd see you one more time again
There's just a few things coming my way this time around, now
Thought I'd see you, thought I'd see you, fire and rain, now
Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Taylor James V
 

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Another dreary pic to prove that there might always be a brighter day.... This was last August or late July, I think. It says earlier on here but I am going to start posting back to pics because this thread is getting so massive to go through. So, this is where I started posting pics of my "recovery" in late July or August of 2020. Looking at that hair, I had a lot more confidence than I might have but I just knew this was coming together. Goddess told me so.

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Oral Min Article:

 

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Before and After:

Almost two years ago at the bottom of the page--taken before my massive spironolactone shed.

About Three days Ago. As the hair grows, the pics become more androgynous:

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Are Hair Lines Restorable under HRT?

There are enough such examples on the forum. But I will be the first to use HRT as a Norwood 1 with severe hairline thinning. It would seem that the situation is simple. However, the hairline and temples are terribly amenable to therapy, and Ikarus has never been able to repair the area. There is a point of no return when the hair can no longer be restored. I hope I haven't overcome it.
I disagree about the hair line being more difficult to restore for MtF's necessarily as opposed to cis-males, for whom it does present either great or impossible challenges. I have seen no data indicative of a hard fall off from which recovery is impossible but it probably becomes more difficult with age. Microneedling and oral min might make a difference in these hairs. I have had strong regrowth at the hairline and I see hundreds of new hairs growing in the temple areas although most are still too small to be cosmetically significant but it further illustrates the time needed for complete improvement. I said 12 to 24 months but it might be that 36 months is more apt in terms of recovery time to a decent length.

For the truly bald, HRT is likely to be less of a sprint and more of a marathon and most cis-guys can't do this at the hormonal levels needed for up to two to three years to see cosmetically significant results. This might be the reason for the seemingly far better results encountered by MtF's since they have nothing else to do and nowhere to go except pretty much to continue with HRT for its other benefits.
 

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I don't really understand that poll. So 25 guys on here clicked that they would allow themselves to be fully feminized if it meant to get a full head of hair back? What??
 

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I don't really understand that poll. So 25 guys on here clicked that they would allow themselves to be fully feminized if it meant to get a full head of hair back? What??
I don't believe that the poll has much scientific or statistical significance except as a snap-shot of where people stood when I commenced the thread without most of them really knowing all that much about HRT and its sides. What I do think that it shows is that many men and boys appear to be much more open nowadays to using HRT for hair purposes only. All of the finasteride and min deriders paradoxically probably push people towards HRT.

Even in the last nine months or whatever, I think that attitudes related to HRT have changed due to the systematic failure of the market place to find any new solutions for men since Reductase Inhibitors and really none, that promote regrowth over maintenance. If an XY wants to wear his hair long and have it look decent as in high school, say, then this is it in terms of potential options and it works all but perfectly for maintenance also.
 

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Janey,

What are you thoughts about non-hormonal treatments for men and especially what do you think of massage and micro-needling in terms of hair regeneration?

Scalp massages do have data backing them up as being at least statistically significant in terms of effectiveness. Combined with derma-rolling, maybe just a few minutes a day might help but if we are talking about Rob's massages, well, they simply require too much time to do for virtually everyone. Maybe if someone massaged always when doing something mindless one might reach hair regrowth nirvana but Rob estimates that you need to do the equivalent of 41 minutes a day of his massages, if I understand correctly. He is much less cogent about his "own" method that he is when he writes about essentially everything else.

Anyway both micro-needling and scalp massage can have positive effects on hair loss but the effort required for maintenance using these techniques without at least finasteride is likely to be prohibitive and the results from massage statistical testing were significant but not that great pictorally in terms of hair growth/regrowth, if I recall correctly.
 

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Continuing....


I can't recommend any mechanical methods to people who refuse to use some form of AA. It's just a waste of time otherwise. There is nothing here for you, in either massages or micro-needling functionally, I promise unless you have severe scarring from a hair transplant or just a small area that you are focusing on. Estrogen also promotes scar and wound healing and skin regeneration so guys are just fucked hair-wise in general since hair does come out of skin and all. I had amazing parental hair genes and great hair as a teenager but it didn't save me nor did any of the traditional "male" meds except for oral min which is actually pretty new in terms of usage and availability although I think that Loniten has always been quietly available. People were worried in the olden days about the blood pressure effects of two percent minoxidil which can be too much for some users to tolerate.

There's Keto which works much better for men seemingly than women because of the male harsh scalp environment. Current research indicates that just by managing inflammation that one might avoid excessive hair loss so that should be an exciting topic for XY's but again that's maintenance. Nothing tends to grow hair for people who are balding and chemically male, FtM's included except for oral min so when I hear guys emphatically state no to oral minoxidil and oral finasteride or even topical finasteride, I know that they are just spinning their wheels and wasting time. Especially for older guys, nothing works except for HRT and perhaps oral min for substantial regrowth. Nothing, that is in terms of cosmetic significance. Young guys might substantially improve but often nobody thinks those guys are even losing their hair yet and that was my case at 20. You could only see an incipient bald sport from on top, not really visible when my hair was dry but I knew.

Without min or finasteride, none of the other hormonal meds for males work well enough to be worth the time and effort except for obsessive types. Take a look at some proudly posted CB and RU hair "improvement" pics and see if you think that it is ever cosmetically significant. Not likely, if neither min nor finasteride can achieve that. And if you think your hair looks fine in certain mirrors, yes, that is true and it means that you are going bald since non-balding people don't fear mirrors or cameras. Sorry but most of you guys looking for non-hormonal/non-feminizing solutions are wasting your time in terms of promoting attractiveness even if they do grow (some) hair.

Not many people have come even close to working as many hair regrowth/maintenance angles as I have and I had great maintenance for close to 30 years but never any regrowth or visible improvement in hair texture or anagen or ability to wear my hair long without it looking hobo-ish. I have posted all of the the pics either on here on this thread or here:

Most people only think about the temples and crown but I had diffuse thinning everywhere and it is amazing now in retrospect to see how much of my regrowth has been in front of the ears but below the temples out to the sideburns. I knew that it had thinned in front of the ears and more so on the right side of my head but those side areas became just as much of a problem for me eventually as the more traditional male pattern baldness spots and it makes a huge difference for diffuse thinners, this regrowth on the sides that most of you don't even realize is balding or at least not the extent of it. I wish that I could be more sanguine but that's the way that I see it and I would love to be proven wrong by even one male XY but that isn't going out on a limb much.

Goddess bless,
Janey
 

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I have no idea what to do about my crown, it is a diffuse mess, temples are fine, my hair loss has accelerated massively in the past 4 or so weeks, lots of hair coming out in pull tests. Im terrified of needing to start estradiol but im running out of options. I thought i could try estriol but a member said he was taking 12mg a day and saw little benefit.
 

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I have no idea what to do about my crown, it is a diffuse mess, temples are fine, my hair loss has accelerated massively in the past 4 or so weeks, lots of hair coming out in pull tests. Im terrified of needing to start estradiol but im running out of options. I thought i could try estriol but a member said he was taking 12mg a day and saw little benefit.
sh*t and you have a very fine protocol. Let me think and let's discuss further what you might be willing to do and what is off the table maybe tomorrow afternoon. I have a couple of zoom doctor's appointments before that. We will figure out something.

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I have no idea what to do about my crown, it is a diffuse mess, temples are fine, my hair loss has accelerated massively in the past 4 or so weeks, lots of hair coming out in pull tests. Im terrified of needing to start estradiol but im running out of options. I thought i could try estriol but a member said he was taking 12mg a day and saw little benefit.
Are you sure that it's not a shed?
 

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It seems that with Covid finally lifting that folks will actually be trying to meet people and do things out of the house. I think that's healthy and probably a lot of gloom and doom will lift among many on here. I am having some minor surgery done today so I will have to see but I might still need a break to heal my vocal apparatus before I make my debut more or less, in the real world.

Good hair to all and everybody try to find somebody to love and if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.

Best,
Janey
 

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Janey, do you have any pics of your complete shed to baldness? It would be interesting to see that compared to your baseline. A lot of people on the forums lately have been complaining about shedding, and you could probably spread some real light on the matter.
 

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Janey, do you have any pics of your complete shed to baldness? It would be interesting to see that compared to your baseline. A lot of people on the forums lately have been complaining about shedding, and you could probably spread some real light on the matter.
I do in fact and I recently posted them on page 53 after someone requested to see if it was really possible to have an entire crown fill in. Also here are a representative sample with running commentary. Thanks for asking:

 

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I am sorry for the long response times but I have been in the hospital and I have been sort of in and out of it, feeling a bit weak still. If folks can re-submit questions, that will be helpful to me in catching up.

Goddess bless,
Janey
 
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