Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

pegasus2

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Why not use topical estriol, the weakest and least fat-soluble (meaning least absorbable) estrogen?

You just answered your own question. I think estriol is effective, but probably not as effective as estradiol. I don't have any gyno though, so that would be the big reason to use estriol. I think topical estriol should be in everyone's regmen that is aiming for regrowth. Those willing to take more risk should use estradiol.

I know topical estradiol is better for avoiding liver damage and thrombosis, but are people getting better results with topical usage? Is anyone applying it directly to the scalp and getting better results?
 

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So i think i want to try this. I successfully recovered from very severe finasteride induced penile aptrophy, erectile dysfunction and loss of libido, so i feel confident giving this a shot in the coming months and see if i can get something out of it without suffering too much. Thanks to the steroids im also big enough to not end up looking like a girl from a mile away.

So the protocol is relatively simple, but if you guys have anything in mind to add on it, im open to suggestions.

- anti-androgen, preferably AR inhibitor (e.g. bica)
- female levels of estradiol (ca. 200-300pg/ml). Can i go higher than this?
- minoxidil, preferably oral
- maybe some treatments to speed up follicle neogenesis, like micro needling, or stemoxydine
 

Fanjeera

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At least with estradiol you are not blocking androgens directly. Maybe in some organs it's better than finasteride.
 

Blackweasel

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I have alot of dense vellous hair coming into my NW1 area. I dump Minoxidl and topical spironolactone and fina there.

Oh what I would do for them to go the distance, Id make a full recovery.
Still on 200mg spironolactone, I have started loosing muscle at this point which is sh*t but oh well...not dead :)
 

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Marky

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I have alot of dense vellous hair coming into my NW1 area. I dump Minoxidl and topical spironolactone and fina there.

Oh what I would do for them to go the distance, Id make a full recovery.
Still on 200mg spironolactone, I have started loosing muscle at this point which is sh*t but oh well...not dead :)
Isn't that the transplanted area?
 

Father_of_Shiseido

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I have alot of dense vellous hair coming into my NW1 area. I dump Minoxidl and topical spironolactone and fina there.

Oh what I would do for them to go the distance, Id make a full recovery.
Still on 200mg spironolactone, I have started loosing muscle at this point which is sh*t but oh well...not dead :)
Muscles loss is inevitable.
 

hahahamyhairisdead

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I was going to do this a few months ago and held off. I had actually already purchased the spironolactone and sold it. I'll be starting estradiol soon now, and may add spironolactone with it. How many mg are you taking?
Wow, didn't expect you to decide to try tranny-protocol.
 

pegasus2

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Wow, didn't expect you to decide to try tranny-protocol.
You have to do what you have to do. I won't do it for long, but I'm hoping a couple months will give me a boost without giving my gyno. We'll see.
 

pegasus2

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Transplanted area is blue.
Yellow area is vellous carpet, my head is 2 tone lol

Looking good. Perhaps you jumped the gun on getting that transplant.
 

Blackweasel

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You have to do what you have to do. I won't do it for long, but I'm hoping a couple months will give me a boost without giving my gyno. We'll see.

Gyno is just 1800 dollars to remove in Australia and super simple operation, FUE is much more invasive, it was a little scary having people work on your head.

It shouldnt be too expensive in other places either.
Currently theres no full cure for hair so its fair trade.
After 2 months of 200mg spironolactone etc I only have a lump behind the left nipple only. Which is only visible in certain positions. I have probably lost an inch+ of arm muscle though.

Aslong as the third leg is working everything else should be reversible and AAs can be cyled to minimize sides, my main concern at this point is sexual function which has not yet been effected at all. I rarely use Estrogens in the form of topicals as I know thats another, different ball game.

Once you stop taking meds your body produces test again, under common/normal circumstance.
This can deplete gyno quickly, DHT and Test naturally keep gyno in check for males.
I went through an androgenic state to loose my hair, now anti-androgenic to get it back, hopefully wont have to go estrogenic. Finding middle ground will be challenging once get more regrowth.

Spironolactone has so many uses, this tranny drug talk is BS.
 

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