Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[LEXUS]

That's why I think HRT should be done with a doctor. Now I have a very gentle scheme. the most difficult thing is to choose a dose of cyproterone. he is probably the strongest in the world of AA. But if you take it more than necessary, then there will be big problems. I took 25 mg and I had testosterone 0.00 but without analysis this is not understood. I thought that it was necessary to increase cyproterone and increase and increase. life with testosterone 0.00 real hell. you are like a vegetable. no estradiol will replace you with it. if testosterone is below the female level, then you do not even have the strength to get out of bed. my mistake was in the dose of cpa. 2 mg is enough for me.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

Look at the photos of our heroes. they take 6mg + E2 gel. But 2 mg is very very small for feminization. You can always undo all this. You yourself must choose feminization with hair or masculinity without hair. when a person takes 2.5 mg of dutasteride like you, then testosterone begins to grow 2 3 times higher. in this amount, it also begins to harm the hair. spironolactone does not reduce testosterone but blocks receptors but very weakly. you'd better try cyproterone. even 2 mg reduces testosterone itself very well. the essence is to reduce it and not destroy it completely.

It depends where that 2mg Estradiol came from. If it is from Estradiol pills, then 2mg would cause a huge spike but levels would drop quickly. It may or may not feminise, you can't know for certain because everyone has a certain unique sensitivity to E2. A 50 pg/ml E2 level could grow C cup breasts for one individual, and it could not be enough for the next.



If the 2mg of E2 is from Estrogel, then it will provide a higher E2 levels (and more steady) where feminizations are certain (especially with an AA). You can regrow hair and minimise feminizations, but i wouldn't go past 2mg E (pills) really.

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

It depends where that 2mg Estradiol came from. If it is from Estradiol pills, then 2mg would cause a huge spike but levels would drop quickly. It may or may not feminise, you can't know for certain because everyone has a certain unique sensitivity to E2. A 50 pg/ml E2 level could grow C cup breasts for one individual, and it could not be enough for the next.



If the 2mg of E2 is from Estrogel, then it will provide a higher E2 levels (and more steady) where feminizations are certain (especially with an AA). You can regrow hair and minimise feminizations, but i wouldn't go past 2mg E (pills) really.

It is certainly YMMV kind of thing. In my experience spironolsctone 400 mg was enough to feminise me. Now I am trying to reverse the clock.

 

[Derelict]

It is certainly YMMV kind of thing. In my experience spironolsctone 400 mg was enough to feminise me. Now I am trying to reverse the clock.

By feminize what do you mean? gyno or facially feminizing you? 400mg is an insane dosage though. I got really bad gyno on 200mg but my face didn't really change at all.

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

By feminise what do you mean? gyno or facially feminising you? 400mg is an insane dosage, though. I got really bad gyno on 200mg, but my face didn't really change at all.

I was talking about facial feminisation. For the first eight months, changes were not noticeable, but after that, feminisation got accelerated. Girls in my college are suspicious of me. Boys don't pay enough attention to my look.

 

[LEXUS]

It depends where that 2mg Estradiol came from. If it is from Estradiol pills, then 2mg would cause a huge spike but levels would drop quickly. It may or may not feminise, you can't know for certain because everyone has a certain unique sensitivity to E2. A 50 pg/ml E2 level could grow C cup breasts for one individual, and it could not be enough for the next.



If the 2mg of E2 is from Estrogel, then it will provide a higher E2 levels (and more steady) where feminizations are certain (especially with an AA). You can regrow hair and minimise feminizations, but i wouldn't go past 2mg E (pills) really.

who told you that estrogel is more feminizing than pills? I heard here that without taking estradiol inside, little can change. the same with local minoxidil and local AA.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

who told you that estrogel is more feminizing than pills? I heard here that without taking estradiol inside, little can change. the same with local minoxidil and local AA.

No, Estrogel is very different. It works by smearing 1,25 g of gel (equivalent to 0,75 mg of E) into fatty tissue like the thighs, the E gets absorbed rapidly into the skin and "gets imprisoned" by the fat tissues. Estrogel gives more consistant results as opposed to pills. 1 pump of Estrogel gives levels of about 40-60 pg/ml, and they remain quite steady throughout the day. I would imagine 2 pumps would give close to 100pg/ml. 2mg E pills sublingually will give a huge boost of ~400 pg/ml before falling very fast to ~60 pg/ml in 5 hours. Then by the end of the day, you won't have adequate E levels circulating until your next dose.




Taking 1mg pill every 12 hours is another matter though..

 

[coco_304]

Where to put Estrogel??

Why some people put estrogel on groin??

 

[LEXUS]

No, Estrogel is very different. It works by smearing 1,25 g of gel (equivalent to 0,75 mg of E) into fatty tissue like the thighs, the E gets absorbed rapidly into the skin and "gets imprisoned" by the fat tissues. Estrogel gives more consistant results as opposed to pills. 1 pump of Estrogel gives levels of about 40-60 pg/ml, and they remain quite steady throughout the day. I would imagine 2 pumps would give close to 100pg/ml. 2mg E pills sublingually will give a huge boost of ~400 pg/ml before falling very fast to ~60 pg/ml in 5 hours. Then by the end of the day, you won't have adequate E levels circulating until your next dose.




Taking 1mg pill every 12 hours is another matter though..

if this is true then it is very good. since I like estrogel more than pills. You can divide one tablet into 4 parts and take it throughout the day. and then there will be more even levels. it’s just that on this forum they say that estrogel is very weak compared to pills. who to believe ..

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

if this is true then it is very good. since I like estrogel more than pills. You can divide one tablet into 4 parts and take it throughout the day. and then there will be more even levels. it’s just that on this forum they say that estrogel is very weak compared to pills. who to believe ..

Estrogel is safer than pills. You can combine them if you like though. For example like at the morning do 1 pump of gel, in the afternoon take 1mg and next to bed time take another 1mg.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

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[LEXUS]

Estrogel is safer than pills. You can combine them if you like though. For example like at the morning do 1 pump of gel, in the afternoon take 1mg and next to bed time take another 1mg.

I like the effect when I smear estrogel on the entire scalp where there is hair. I do this for the night. and in the morning I smear it all over my face. I see no reason to smear him on his hips. but that's how anyone likes it.

 

[LEXUS]

Estrogel is safer than pills. You can combine them if you like though. For example like at the morning do 1 pump of gel, in the afternoon take 1mg and next to bed time take another 1mg.

my problem is only one thing. my hair grows very fast, all the follicles produce hair, but they cannot even become long because they fall out very quickly. I have 100 hairs a day. so I try different modes. if at least 3 days my hair didn’t fall out, it seems to me that in these 3 days they could become very thick as they grow very quickly. after all, they are not getting smaller either. from my HRT hair grows very well but they do not hold. sometimes not a single hair falls. I’ve been trying to understand what’s happening for a long time ..

 

[Blackweasel]

So is anyone maintaining Estrogen regrowth without continuation of Estrogen? Is it really impossible to wean off E, regain masculinity and maintain all hair gained?

 

[Yar]

No, Estrogel is very different. It works by smearing 1,25 g of gel (equivalent to 0,75 mg of E) into fatty tissue like the thighs, the E gets absorbed rapidly into the skin and "gets imprisoned" by the fat tissues. Estrogel gives more consistant results as opposed to pills. 1 pump of Estrogel gives levels of about 40-60 pg/ml, and they remain quite steady throughout the day. I would imagine 2 pumps would give close to 100pg/ml. 2mg E pills sublingually will give a huge boost of ~400 pg/ml before falling very fast to ~60 pg/ml in 5 hours. Then by the end of the day, you won't have adequate E levels circulating until your next dose.




Taking 1mg pill every 12 hours is another matter though..

recently, I combined both gels and tabl in one dose, estrofem max blood concentration after 6 hours, estrogel 3-4 hours per dose. I decided to do this, take estrofem at 20:00 and smear estrogel at 23:00, so this way we get the maximum concentration of both drugs. And there and there hemihydrate!

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

recently, I combined both gels and tabl in one dose, estrofem max blood concentration after 6 hours, estrogel 3-4 hours per dose. I decided to do this, take estrofem at 20:00 and smear estrogel at 23:00, so this way we get the maximum concentration of both drugs. And there and there hemihydrate!

lt's a good tactic, but you should know that when you get the big boost of Estradiol pills (hemihydrate), your ERs don't use the 800-900 pg/ml in the first few hours. If you constatnly have a very big amount of Estradiol in your body, you could saturate the ERs and dowregulate them, i think @keepcoolmybabies witnessed a similar outcome when being on large E injections constantly (large steady E levels) saturated their ERs.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

I like the effect when I smear estrogel on the entire scalp where there is hair. I do this for the night. and in the morning I smear it all over my face. I see no reason to smear him on his hips. but that's how anyone likes it.

I wouldn't recomend smearing Estrogel on scalp and face. It wasn't meant for those places. I remember reading on reddit about 2 Transwomen who were smearing Estrogel on face hoping to get rid of wrinkles and resistant acne, only to have horrible eye bags and dull skin due to Estogel containing alchohol and it being a hormone.





If you were smearing Estrogel on scalp, i think you wouldn't be getting the full dose, because some of the gel will get stuck on hair.

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

my problem is only one thing. my hair grows very fast, all the follicles produce hair, but they cannot even become long because they fall out very quickly. I have 100 hairs a day. so I try different modes. if at least 3 days my hair didn’t fall out, it seems to me that in these 3 days they could become very thick as they grow very quickly. after all, they are not getting smaller either. from my HRT hair grows very well but they do not hold. sometimes not a single hair falls. I’ve been trying to understand what’s happening for a long time ..

Don't worry, it's very normal to lose 100-150 hairs a day, since a healthy scalp loses that much anyway. And about your hair not getting longer, it could be that your genes don't allow for a very long Anagen phase (growing phase). After all, some are lucky to have hair grow past a year, and some can grow hair up to 6 years, it's all due to the Anagen phase.




One more important thing, ER alpha induces premature Catagen phase (hair stops growing phase), while ER beta silences the ER alpha, and keeps the hairs in the Anagen phase longer. If your E is latching itself to more ER alpha than ER beta, your hair might take some premature damage and ER alpha is known to be a co-factor in breast cancer.

 

[LEXUS]

Don't worry, it's very normal to lose 100-150 hairs a day, since a healthy scalp loses that much anyway. And about your hair not getting longer, it could be that your genes don't allow for a very long Anagen phase (growing phase). After all, some are lucky to have hair grow past a year, and some can grow hair up to 6 years, it's all due to the Anagen phase.




One more important thing, ER alpha induces premature Catagen phase (hair stops growing phase), while ER beta silences the ER alpha, and keeps the hairs in the Anagen phase longer. If your E is latching itself to more ER alpha than ER beta, your hair might take some premature damage and ER alpha is known to be a co-factor in breast cancer.

Yes, I know that, thanks. I just sometimes manage to achieve that only 5 hairs fall out per day. then they become thick in a few days. 100 hairs are those that I counted. but everything is not possible to see. I think I just need to find the right dose.

 

[LEXUS]

I use local minoxidil. They say that it can cause a loss that never stops. minoxidil inside did not help me.