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Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

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  1. bridgeburn

    bridgeburn Experienced Member My Regimen

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    I don't believe your gyn. I've heard too many different numbers about the equivalents, 5 times 10 times 100 times. I don't know what to believe.

    Ive even heard this: "The effect of EE relative to estradiol differs in different tissues. In the pituitary, it is about 120 times more potent, in the liver 500-1500 more potent."

    maybe it has some aevantages over 17b and maybe 17b has some advantages over it as well. I dont think it can accurately be converted to equivalency. its technically a different molecule.
    what? how?
     
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    Georgie Senior Member My Regimen

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    Marky Experienced Member My Regimen

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    If someone offered me hair like that by simply using meds I would take it in a heart beat, and I'm 41, then maybe stop by the barber for a little trim on top.
    Maybe something like this would be more suitable and realistic for you:
    Frodo-frodo-23999979-298-362.jpg
     
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    Jesse Navarro Established Member My Regimen

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    If i had 41 i would kill to have the hair Lloyd Cole has now.
     
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    bridgeburn Experienced Member My Regimen

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    yes that looks good to me
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    Your hair looks much better, than it did before you started treating it.

    You gained so much more density.
     
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    bridgeburn Experienced Member My Regimen

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    @Georgie i dont know why its not letting me quote reply you.
    although EE is probably better at changing gene expression at the receptor level, the only problem i see with that is the pill elevates SHBG semi-permanently. this could make 17b less bioavialable. and from that study I showed you earlier 17b reduces 5ar, but EE doesn't. i think once on the pill for a long time it might be difficult to use natural E for awhile, but i dont know, maybe it will work if you rub the gel directly on the scalp
     
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    bridgeburn Experienced Member My Regimen

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    and its still getting better :)
     
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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    I really do think, at the current rate, in October 2018 you will be between a Norwood
    two and one).

    For those reading this thread, a Norwood one is one centimeter above the hairline, where it should
    fall (by "classic" Norwood definition, LOL).
     
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    Georgie Senior Member My Regimen

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    So glad for you. I would kill just to have mine stop shedding and falling out at least. On average I’m losing 120 hairs a day. Hair looks worse from day to day. It’s fucking gut wrenching.
     
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    rupture Established Member My Regimen

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    Have you thought of quitting everything and letting your body return to homeostasis or even if it will ?
     
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    Georgie Senior Member My Regimen

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    Haha. I tried the “let my body heal” thing in 2015. I’ve been through menopause mate. There’s no “going back to normal” for me.
     
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    Georgie Senior Member My Regimen

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    Reminds me a little of that singer Alex Aiono I think his name is. He has amazing hair. V jelly.
     

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    rclark Senior Member My Regimen

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    You should really try topical Finasteride/Minoxidil/Progesterone/Estrogen combination.

    I haven't tried the estroid yet.


    That said, I'll have to post a pictures of my hair. It was a Norwood four at 2012 (worst).

    Just got a haircut today.

    At the most, I only lose a few hairs a wee/month, if that.
     
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    Georgie Senior Member My Regimen

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    I already take estrogen and progesterone orally, dutasteride and topical darolutamide.
     
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    hi, may l ask you, what's your final complete regime now?
    which kind of estradiol are you using?
    ethinyl estradiol ،valerate?! topical or orally or both? in which dose?,
    and are you using cyproterone 50 now?
    thanks
     
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    bridgeburn Experienced Member My Regimen

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    .5mg Dutasteride
    2.25mg oestrogel topically
    2mg estradiol hemihydrate, buccally
    50mg cyproterone
    10mg oral minoxidil, every other day
     
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    HillTopLumber Established Member My Regimen

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    Do you think Estrogel is giving a local effect? Some say its all systemic but there are trans girls who apply it to their breasts so maybe it does have some form of local effect.
     
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    bridgeburn Experienced Member My Regimen

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    It does go systematic but I think it temporary causes high E at the place applied giving some local boost. I apply on my temples but also other places too. I've been putting some on a scar ive had for years and it seems to be making it turn normal skin color.
    :confused: really doubt that's safe in the long term. would cause high peaks in the breasts followed by a drop when it goes systematic, everyday.
     
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    HillTopLumber Established Member My Regimen

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    It apparently increases chances of breast cancer so its not recommended, its nowhere near as popular as progesterone cream for breasts.

    Do you apply it to the hair or only in areas of the scalp you have vellus hair? Applying it to long hair I would imagine would be kind of messy and it'll look apparent.
     
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