Don't Be Delusional, There Won't Be Anything Better For The Next 30 Years. Deal With It.

How long until anything better (treatment, cure...) comes?


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Androgenetic (or pattern) alopecia is a genetically determined disorder characterized by the gradual conversion of terminal hairs into indeterminate, and finally into vellus, hairs. It is an extremely common disease that affects men and women.
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1070167-overview

Oxford dictionary:
disease
a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.
I’ll keep it short. Under that definition being black is more of a disease. (disposition: black) - (adversely affecting: do I even have to say anything) - (person or group: low income black families, etc etc)

There will always be a portion of people affected to uncountable many things - are those all diseased people?
 

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Going bald is a dis-ease because it's not easy losing hair.

Being black is of course not a disease, however if I started turning black once I reached young adulthood...
 

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You just gonna ignore the definition of Androgenetic Alopecia that specifically calls it a "disease", and lecture me about income disparities? Come on dude, having black skin is a benefit in western society. Black people make more money in the US than any other ethnic group when adjusted for IQ. Instead of turning it into a BLM debate, just admit you're wrong, and that Androgenetic Alopecia is a disease.
Lmao it’s not about who’s wrong and who’s right, I could care less about how many times I was right on a hairloss forum. Read the definition you posted. Under those restrictions anything is a disease and thats literally a fact, being short undoubtedly falls in that definition. Similar to being fat or having hormone irregularities or having a low IQ. Im here to give you honest logical answers, 1 plus 1 equals two. Not throw data and links at someone to prove that on the largest technicality their wrong.

“black people make most money than any other ethnic group when adjusted for IQ”. Just lmao, nice statement. Ive worked with datasets that have over 100 million records. When you start filtering on conditions that are so irrelevant and abstract you get results that are confounding on other factors and variables. How many black individuals with high IQ (measure bias in analysis) were measured compared to whites? Id take it due to other confounding factors...enviroment, educational opportunity, financial backings etc that measure is awfully skewed and disproportionate. Take a look at the richest 1000 people in the world... let me know how many are black. You seriously cannot say from a mental standpoint being black in this country is advantageous... delusional and that’s what happens when all you do is find data and fall short on analysis due to ignorance.

So no I will double down, being bald is not a disease. Just because you and I struggle with it in an appearance manner doesn’t mean everyone does in fact a significant percentage of people are not bothered. How can you call them diseased when they’re healthy, normal and happy.

What indeed is a disease is BDD and the constant feeling to fix or change yourself to look adequate for the rest of society and yourself. The constant desire to look for remedies and “cures” and have over 40 things in your regime. So yes, you are diseased.
 

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If someone posted that in 2010 they were right. We have seen success stories in the last ten years that blow anything pre-2010 out of the water.

I am not talking about individual success cases (who are usually just good responders to treatments that were already available ten years ago). I am talking about new treatments that actually make it to the market. The only FDA approved drugs are still finasteride and minoxidil. Sure, there is some stuff on the horizon, but that was also the case ten years ago. "Five years from now" already existed fifteen years ago.
 

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Lmao it’s not about who’s wrong and who’s right, I could care less about how many times I was right on a hairloss forum. Read the definition you posted. Under those restrictions anything is a disease and thats literally a fact, being short undoubtedly falls in that definition. Similar to being fat or having hormone irregularities or having a low IQ. Im here to give you honest logical answers, 1 plus 1 equals two. Not throw data and links at someone to prove that on the largest technicality their wrong.

“black people make most money than any other ethnic group when adjusted for IQ”. Just lmao, nice statement. Ive worked with datasets that have over 100 million records. When you start filtering on conditions that are so irrelevant and abstract you get results that are confounding on other factors and variables. How many black individuals with high IQ (measure bias in analysis) were measured compared to whites? Id take it due to other confounding factors...enviroment, educational opportunity, financial backings etc that measure is awfully skewed and disproportionate. Take a look at the richest 1000 people in the world... let me know how many are black. You seriously cannot say from a mental standpoint being black in this country is advantageous... delusional and that’s what happens when all you do is find data and fall short on analysis due to ignorance.

So no I will double down, being bald is not a disease. Just because you and I struggle with it in an appearance manner doesn’t mean everyone does in fact a significant percentage of people are not bothered. How can you call them diseased when they’re healthy, normal and happy.

What indeed is a disease is BDD and the constant feeling to fix or change yourself to look adequate for the rest of society and yourself. The constant desire to look for remedies and “cures” and have over 40 things in your regime. So yes, you are diseased.
Arguments here always go off track for no reason. Why does it even matter if hairloss falls under the definition of 'disease' or not? definition of disease can be vague. The whole point was to figure if there could be a 'cure' for hairloss, which depends only on the essence of the hairloss process, not on useless definitions. In this sense, it seems much easier to 'cure' hairloss, than to 'cure' black/white skin or to 'cure' short people.
 

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I am a 22 years old French guy, i live in the most socialist western country. I can tell you that it's now impossible for us, the new generation, to afford houses and even car (in France, the age of the average new car customer is 58).

The only advantage to live here is the free medical care

France is a member of the ECB, the most dictatorial experiment in central banking ever conceived. It's the reason much of Europe is a dead zone economically. You have some very nice socialist programs like health care and education, but the central banking situation is very right-wing. All your economic surplus goes to wealthy bankers and bondholders but not for growing the physical economy. None of the neoliberal/Thatcherized economies are able to grow because of the enormous debt overhead strangling off growth in France, Italy, Canada, USA and English-speaking countries in general. If France was socialist, it would have a strong central bank policy for investing in the real economy instead of letting technocrats and Brussels dictate allocation of resources. French economy is suffocating under neoliberalism/fascism not socialism.
 

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Yeah, IQ is totally irrelevant to income.:rolleyes: Take a look at the bell curve for IQ, that explains racial income disparities. There are high IQ black people, and they do very well, but there aren't many. Maybe you think being black in Africa is easier than being black in America.

BDD is a psychological disorder, and psychological disorders are not diseases according to leftist dogma. You are going against the party, report to the reeducation camp for more programming.
Listen to yourself. You’re educating me on wording and classifications of disorders. “Look at the bell curve”. You know nothing about statistics and thats apparent in your language and analysis pf whats going on. Please answer me how is IQ is collected in those datasets... yea thats right it definately does not favor white, educated, catered kids and adults who have seen the general layout of those tests various times. In fact, if you were to even search the history of IQ tests you’ll realize it’s a false measurement of intelligence. You’ll see that it was designed to group kids in elementary school to their respective brain power all invented by a frenchmen (I believe). There’s more to data besides collecting it and filtering on some factor and reporting results. The statement that you quoted about black people filtered on IQ and money is what people will call statistically insignificant estimator.

why is it that I’m continuously telling you your statistical understanding is flawed beyond belief.... perhaps because you keep using sh*t you have no idea about to make wild and uneducated claims. Should you be implementing 1/40th of your daily regime right about now? Imagine having to do 40 things a day to keep your hair... yea Id start thinking I knew sh*t I had no clue about too.
 

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Arguments here always go off track for no reason. Why does it even matter if hairloss falls under the definition of 'disease' or not? definition of disease can be vague. The whole point was to figure if there could be a 'cure' for hairloss, which depends only on the essence of the hairloss process, not on useless definitions. In this sense, it seems much easier to 'cure' hairloss, than to 'cure' black/white skin or to 'cure' short people.
But you cant cure it... lol. You can treat it to a degree in which it is not a problem or apparent and if thats what you mean by cure then yea sure Ill buy in. It is just very misleading to say cure and at the same time have babies that are born that are predisposed to baldness and have them start losing their hair... until they hop on TREATMENTS. If it were cured they would never lose it in the first place. Again, Im not here to knit pick definitions and tell you you’re wrong, just trying to have logical conversations with people that’ll like to stick to speaking on things in which they have some sort of knowledge about.
 

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You're the worst case of specialization bias I've ever seen. You truly understand nothing about anything beyond your specialization, but think your specialization gives you an understanding of everything. Grow up. I'm not going to sit here asks argue semantics with you. You can call it whatever you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that people can and have virtually completely reversed their Androgenetic Alopecia, or that my hair is twice as thick as it was at Christmas time.

What has made your hair so much better? Dermarolling?
 

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You're the worst case of specialization bias I've ever seen. You truly understand nothing about anything beyond your specialization, but think your specialization gives you an understanding of everything. Grow up. I'm not going to sit here asks argue semantics with you. You can call it whatever you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that people can and have virtually completely reversed their Androgenetic Alopecia, or that my hair is twice as thick as it was at Christmas time.
Um. Lol. All that sounds like to me is that you don’t specialize in anything. Being specialized in data, statistics, and modeling does indeed give you understanding of everything analytical. I have never said I understand something in which I do not, such as receptors, biology and terminology. I hope at the base level of everything you understand that all you are doing is playing a very dangerous game of fake chemist. In which you yourself are the test subject and your implementation of methods is via largely to anecdotal data. Yikes!

Its not that people are scared to experiment... it is that they are not desperate enough to experiment. “Lower this receptor here, raise that one there”... all of a sudden you’re Frankenstein.
 
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Ok Neil Ferguson, tell me more about how we're all going to die from corona because you have such a great understanding about data, but no understanding of what the data represents.
LMAO THATS YOU! Its so funny its not funny. You literally said “black people filtered on IQ and Money earn the most in the US”. When you had no idea of how that data was collected nor an understanding of your covariates. Having IQ as a predictor of Intelligence is piss poor when your response is earning income. Adhere here though: the only bad data is the one in which you don’t understand. Whatever... last message I write to you about this topic. Go stick ya head in bleach.
 

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But you cant cure it... lol. You can treat it to a degree in which it is not a problem or apparent and if thats what you mean by cure then yea sure Ill buy in. It is just very misleading to say cure and at the same time have babies that are born that are predisposed to baldness and have them start losing their hair... until they hop on TREATMENTS. If it were cured they would never lose it in the first place. Again, Im not here to knit pick definitions and tell you you’re wrong, just trying to have logical conversations with people that’ll like to stick to speaking on things in which they have some sort of knowledge about.
Wait so how do YOU define a cure? people are also genetically prone to cancer, but still researchers trying to 'cure' cancer. Whatever it means, it's still semantic again, if we talk practical for a minute - if there is a pill you take once in your life you call it a cure and if there is a pill you take everyday you call it a treatment? If so, then I dont see why this cure is impossible to achieve. of course the pill only prevent future hairloss, follicles that died wont grow back, but I think everybody will agree it is a real 'cure'. just transplant more hair wherever you need (and try to take that pill soon as possible..)
 

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of course the pill only prevent future hairloss, follicles that died wont grow back, but I think everybody will agree it is a real 'cure'. just transplant more hair wherever you need (and try to take that pill soon as possible..)

Why's growing new follicles out of the question?

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Wait so how do YOU define a cure? people are also genetically prone to cancer, but still researchers trying to 'cure' cancer. Whatever it means, it's still semantic again, if we talk practical for a minute - if there is a pill you take once in your life you call it a cure and if there is a pill you take everyday you call it a treatment? If so, then I dont see why this cure is impossible to achieve. of course the pill only prevent future hairloss, follicles that died wont grow back, but I think everybody will agree it is a real 'cure'. just transplant more hair wherever you need (and try to take that pill soon as possible..)
Great post. Actually constructive. So yea Im not an expert on definitions in relation to medicine but indeed if there was a pill you take once then this is a cure moreso than a pill you must take everyday which to me would be considered a treatment. I draw this distinction as if there was 1 pill you take once and thats it then technically you never have to worry about that issue and you’re indeed cured. Whereas if I continue to take the same pill everyday then I am treating my condition... I am not yet cured as if I stopped my treatment the condition will occur again.

I also think an important distinction when classifying a cure is to make sure that it doesn’t interfere with the rest of your body/functions. I know this is very subjective... sorry but without this condition a cure already exists. I believe males that are castrated do not go bald. So if you want to keep your hair, chop your balls off and boom you’re “cured”.
 

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The only thing that I regret from taking finasteride is that I can't donate blood anymore. It is an hormonal treatment and it may affect a pregnant woman for example.

Now, I read a bunch of comments about how hair gets women for you and how finasteride will give you a limp dick. Apparently there is a choice: you may be a lone bald for the rest of your life with a hard rock erection or you may have hair and a limp dick, but be socially accepted and sleep with lots of women.

While some men are stuck with those two options, other men are happily taking their daily pill, brushing their hair and having occasional erections. Some men accepted that fact they are bald and moved on with their lives while others used this opportunity to improve themselves. There are many options available.
 

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You can also get a hair system. Or slow down/maintain your hair with other things besides fina and fill out the rest with a transplant.

This man knows.

That being said, hair systems are marely a temporary solution.
it doesn't have much impact on your social life as much as it does on your dating/sex life.
I don't thibk anyone has ever lost friends from going bald, but if you're a single man being bald is a serious limiting factor in the dating scene.

It would be an interesting experiment to set up two Tinder account with the same guy, one with hair and the other without.
i'm willing to bet that the bald one would barely get 1/10th of the hairy one.
 

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I wonder if it's possible to maintain besides pharmaceutical antiandrogens if you have somewhat aggressive balding. (Not time-wise but pattern-wise)
 
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