Don't Be Delusional, There Won't Be Anything Better For The Next 30 Years. Deal With It.

How long until anything better (treatment, cure...) comes?


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NewUser

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Yeah, by 2050 maybe.

$200k is the average price for a Lamborghini sports car. Does everyone drive a Lamborghini? No, there are much more affordable cars available. Henry Ford knew that if his own factory workers couldn't afford to buy his cars, then the business model was deeply flawed and needed a price structure to make it work. Pegasus is somewhat right when he says hair primordiums is not the same as churning out widgets. It will be much more labor-intensive than, say, manufacturing striped toothpaste, a technological marvel all by itself. But Tsuji will need to be able to produce some kind of consistency with respect to results, and a protocol will have to be standardized in order to be reproducable in a clinical setting. At that point, Tsuji's hair primordiums begin to resemble a standardized widget-making procedure that can be copied by anyone with a list of instructions or 'recipe'.

Can Tsuji monopolize his procedure for a decade? As a comparison, our government guys could not keep the atomic bomb a technological secret for even 5 years in the 1940s, and the Manhattan Project was an incredibly secretive undertaking. Tsuji will have competition and likely to highly probably within 5 years or less.
 
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Unless China continue to do what they are known for. But after covid things will be harder for them.
 

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There is one major problem with that analogy. Other nations didn't have to go through a regulatory process before being able to copy America's nuclear technology. Companies that wish to compete with Tsuji will have to go through a regulatory process. They could have competition soon after in Japan, but in the rest of the world it is going to take a while.

So, one of the promises of neoliberal economics was that deregulation would unleash greed, and market forces would deliver the goods. The thought went that if we could just get rid of the dead hand of government bureaucracy, the world would be a better place. Like its predecessor market ideology, laissez-faire, the "new" liberal capitalism just hasn't delivered the free market miracle as advertised. With respect to medical research, there is science, and there is corporate science. They are not the same. Their wacky economic theory is dead in the most elite schools for economics and won't work any better for Tsuji and Riken in Japan, either.
 

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The problem is not regulation. It is a lack of investment in basic research. We were warned not to hand big pharma 20 and 30-year patent protections on old drug discoveries. Today they are sitting on mountains of cash.

And if you don't understand Marx, then you would struggle to understand all of the classical reformists of the last 200 years prior to 1980 when the Reaganauts and Thatcherites started the western world down this current road to serfdom.
 

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I think Tsuji has grown some tufts of hair on a mouse. So have lots of other researchers. No one can predict the future, but the historical record is there for all to learn from.

Von Hayek lost the Cambridge debates. And his understudy had the chance to implement Austrian school economics in near perfect laboratory conditions in more than a dozen countries beginning with General Augusto Pinochet's Chile. After 16 years of fascism and murdering and torturing socialists, teachers, doctors, students and union leaders, the people became unafraid of the government's bullets. Austrian school economics goes against the wisdom of the last 200 years of classical reform. It is a how to manual on how to wreck a country without a sledgehammer.
 

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I think the cure is already here. Doctors today are giving full head of hair to Norwood 6 7 with the help of body hair obviously with a little less density. Some results from Indian clinic euginix and Spanish doctors Rafael de frietas are phenomenal. This has obviated the need to take finastride for many. Do we still need tsuji , may be not that much
 

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I think the cure is already here. Doctors today are giving full head of hair to Norwood 6 7 with the help of body hair obviously with a little less density. Some results from Indian clinic euginix and Spanish doctors Rafael de frietas are phenomenal. This has obviated the need to take finastride for many. Do we still need tsuji , may be not that much

Body hair is 70% of the time in a sleeping state (telogen). That means the density is much inferior to scalp hair. Additionally, many men are lacking in body hair other than leg hair and pubic hair. Leg hair don't seem very thick, and trust me, you don't want your own pubic hair on your head.
 
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It is 2020... middle of 2020.... what now?
You seem to take perverse pleasure in any lack of new treatments. Instead of this sadomasochistic taunting you could be working on doing what you can with what we have. Many people have cured their hair loss with what is currently available to us. I am halfway there myself. Ten years ago this wasn't possible with the knowledge that we had. Take heart in the advancements that have been made in our understanding of the disease and how to treat it. We have it so much better than those guys ten years ago, it just takes a little effort.
 

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When you live in a poverty country like Poland that is just barely coming out from decades of communism, sure. For Americans it's not that out of reach after a couple years when the price comes down to 50k USD or less

After 35 years of Austrian/Chicago school economic voodoo, tens of millions of Americans can't afford a $400 dollar emergency never mind pricey medical procedures that don't even exist yet. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-crisis-roy-moore-philip-alston-a8105886.html

And, East Germans have lived under both state socialist and capitalist systems. Guess which of the two systems they prefer. One 40-year-old computer analyst was quoted as saying, "Karl Marx was right, capitalism is a nightmare." https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...eel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html
 
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I remember those times in 2008... *lol*

How hyped we were... 2012 was far away and we were dreaming about lion manes...
Yep and all they have to show is a refined micro needling device in conjunction with minoxidil and finasteride if that's your thing.
 

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You can find one person to say anything . Polls in the former USSR disagree with that. I don't know why people on here are allowed to openly promote an ideology that is responsible for the killing of more than 100 million people in the last century.

Actually, most Russians never wanted capitalism. They wanted the Soviet system democratizing. What they wanted was Swedish-style social democracy of mixed market economies and regulations but definitely not this failed neoliberal voodoo that we have in the west.

And, capitalism over the last 300 years probably has many more skeletons in its closet than the fake 100 million number the fascist propagandists attribute to communism. Democratic capitalist India alone continues to churn out 2 million corpses under the age of five each and every year like clockwork. Capitalism is a monstrous ideology. https://eand.co/if-communism-killed-millions-how-many-did-capitalism-kill-2b24ab1c0df7

That's war, not killing our own people for dissenting. Most of us don't agree with those wars either, but in Vietnam we were invited to stop a communist takeover paid for buy China. We are loved to this day by South Koreans for saving them from communism.

Heino, you will have to forgive Pegasus because most American history on the Vietnam war is anywhere from heavily biased to pure propaganda. The Americans were "invited" inro Vietnam by a deeply corrupt Diem regime. The murderous Diem was winning elections in the south by incredible margins of voter support by over 90% indicating obvious election rigging. Diem would have lost any free and fair election to the widely popular Ho Chi Minh and the NVA who were considered the home team at the time. The US State Department and Government basically lied to Americans that they were invading Vietnam to stop an aggressive communist takeover. Their corrupt stooge Diem was on his way out of the picture either way.

And then when they realized they couldn't winin Vietnam, the American government started supporting Pol Pot and the very blood-thirsty Khmer Rouge. Kissinger and Nixon, " the doctor and the madman", bombed hell out of Cambodia in paving the way for the biggest mass murderers since Hitler and the Nazis to takeover. Reagan and Thatcher even insisted that "Democratic Kampuchea" have a seat at the UN.
 
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Heino, this thread is appropriately titled for delusional Pegasus posts because he is completely bereft of the facts and of real history in general. It's probably not entirely his fault as more than 90% of the media in the US is owned by a billionaire oligarchy. The Soviets actually liberated Eastern Europe from Nazi occupation. The US Army didn't get involved in European war until late 1942. American corporations had been doing business as usual with Nazi Germany in the mean time. IBM, Ford, GM, Prescott Bush; Standard Oil etc were all betting on Hitler to win the war of annihilation against Soviet socialism. Most Americans are like mushrooms with respect to recent history i.e. kept in the dark and fed b.s.

This list is missing a number of brutal dictators friendly with the very fascist 'Team Gladio'. Ngo Dinh Diem is #18. http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Cards_Index.html
 
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The Russians saved our butts, not "you".

If they saved you, why were most of your people so desperate to get away from them? You must really hate your current government.:p
 

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According to Cambridge and Princeton military historians(HNN), it was when the Russian people, partisanis and Red Army turned the tables on the Nazis at Stalingrad , the "infernal kessel" or cauldron, and Leningrad that Churchill & Roosevelt understood that the Soviets could probably have liberated Europe by themselves. The closest the Nazis ever came to winning the war for control of Asia was when the panzers were parked 19 kliks from Moscow with German tank commanders spying rhe famous onion domes through binoculars. Bad logistics as they literally ran out of gasoline. Stalin, holed up in the bowels of the Kremlin, had just days before ordered an evacuation of 2 million from the city. ~ 300,000 Russian people dismantled munitions factories in southern cities and carried it all on horseback and on foot eastward over the frozen Urals where they re-assembled it all and set the Soviet resistance in motion again. The whole world was in awe of the Rooskis as they stood alone against Nazi Germany for the next 2.5 years.

Stalin had been begging for a second front against the Nazis for over two years. Finally, at a secret meeting of the "big three" in Tehran, Stalin pounded his fist on the table and said, "I want a second front against these bastards!" He got one. This is real history, Pegasus. You should be grateful to the Slavs for your freedom today. I know i am.
 
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Yes-yes, there are still millions of Americans deluded into believing that John Wayne and Audie Murphy won wars in Vietnam and WW II if only in the fantasy world of Hollywood. However, we also know that many *other Americans are well educated and know real history. Pegasus2 is ungrateful for his freedom fought tooth and nail for by the sweat, blood and tears of millions of Soviet citizens who he despises and mocks. His ignorance of the historical record is both breathtaking and understandable given the extreme concentration of wealth and media ownership in the hands of a tiny elite few in America. He is ferociously loyal to a highly undemocratic system run by billionaire oligarchs who, in turn, fear and hate him and tens of millions of working-poor Americans, and who loathe the shrinking middle class, too, for aping the lifestyles of the superrich with their 'temporarily embarrassed' millionaire status(debt peons who owe more than their net worth).
https://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corporations-and-hitler/4607
 
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And then when they realized they couldn't winin Vietnam, the American government started supporting Pol Pot and the very blood-thirsty Khmer Rouge. Kissinger and Nixon, " the doctor and the madman", bombed hell out of Cambodia in paving the way for the biggest mass murderers since Hitler and the Nazis to takeover. Reagan and Thatcher even insisted that "Democratic Kampuchea" have a seat at the UN.

Who are you to slander someone who won the Nobel Peace Prize??
 
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