Don't Be Delusional, There Won't Be Anything Better For The Next 30 Years. Deal With It.

How long until anything better (treatment, cure...) comes?


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Poppyburner

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sonictemples

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Imagine the Covid-19 vaccine being an accidental cure to hair loss lmao
 

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Hair loss has never been so commercialized and open as it is today. With companies such as Roman, Keeps etc advertising to suffers its clear the market is there. I think this is exactly the kind of exposure hair loss needs for people to become more invested for better treatments.

I know many of you will think “if they’re making money now why release something better”. Well, look at how many people are buying the products now... a lot. Imagine if a treatment came out that doesnt only work on 80% of men (finasteride) but 100% of men. In other words imagine if a drug cane out that was proven to without a doubt regardless of your genetic makeup to halt your hairloss (no sides ofc). I bet you the proportion of people that hop on Keeps/Roman skyrockets. Idk about you, but that sounds like a whole lot of motivation to come out with something new/better.

Also hairloss will never be cured. Its genetic... you cannot cure genetics lol. Thats like saying cure black people from being black... not possible. Treatment is a better word to use.
 

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Especially in a lot of western euro countries that are socialist.

I am a 22 years old French guy, i live in the most socialist western country. I can tell you that it's now impossible for us, the new generation, to afford houses and even car (in France, the age of the average new car customer is 58).

The only advantage to live here is the free medical care
 

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Although it certainly doesn’t feel like it... neither is being bald.
It's a destructive process that occur in your body, you can call it a disease that effect your look rather than your health, like vitiligo.

I dont think it's impossible to really cure it in a way, which doesnt involve modifying genes.
Im not an expert though...
 

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Androgenetic (or pattern) alopecia is a genetically determined disorder characterized by the gradual conversion of terminal hairs into indeterminate, and finally into vellus, hairs. It is an extremely common disease that affects men and women.
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1070167-overview

Oxford dictionary:
disease
a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.
I’ll keep it short. Under that definition being black is more of a disease. (disposition: black) - (adversely affecting: do I even have to say anything) - (person or group: low income black families, etc etc)

There will always be a portion of people affected to uncountable many things - are those all diseased people?
 

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Going bald is a dis-ease because it's not easy losing hair.

Being black is of course not a disease, however if I started turning black once I reached young adulthood...
 

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You just gonna ignore the definition of Androgenetic Alopecia that specifically calls it a "disease", and lecture me about income disparities? Come on dude, having black skin is a benefit in western society. Black people make more money in the US than any other ethnic group when adjusted for IQ. Instead of turning it into a BLM debate, just admit you're wrong, and that Androgenetic Alopecia is a disease.
Lmao it’s not about who’s wrong and who’s right, I could care less about how many times I was right on a hairloss forum. Read the definition you posted. Under those restrictions anything is a disease and thats literally a fact, being short undoubtedly falls in that definition. Similar to being fat or having hormone irregularities or having a low IQ. Im here to give you honest logical answers, 1 plus 1 equals two. Not throw data and links at someone to prove that on the largest technicality their wrong.

“black people make most money than any other ethnic group when adjusted for IQ”. Just lmao, nice statement. Ive worked with datasets that have over 100 million records. When you start filtering on conditions that are so irrelevant and abstract you get results that are confounding on other factors and variables. How many black individuals with high IQ (measure bias in analysis) were measured compared to whites? Id take it due to other confounding factors...enviroment, educational opportunity, financial backings etc that measure is awfully skewed and disproportionate. Take a look at the richest 1000 people in the world... let me know how many are black. You seriously cannot say from a mental standpoint being black in this country is advantageous... delusional and that’s what happens when all you do is find data and fall short on analysis due to ignorance.

So no I will double down, being bald is not a disease. Just because you and I struggle with it in an appearance manner doesn’t mean everyone does in fact a significant percentage of people are not bothered. How can you call them diseased when they’re healthy, normal and happy.

What indeed is a disease is BDD and the constant feeling to fix or change yourself to look adequate for the rest of society and yourself. The constant desire to look for remedies and “cures” and have over 40 things in your regime. So yes, you are diseased.
 

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If someone posted that in 2010 they were right. We have seen success stories in the last ten years that blow anything pre-2010 out of the water.

I am not talking about individual success cases (who are usually just good responders to treatments that were already available ten years ago). I am talking about new treatments that actually make it to the market. The only FDA approved drugs are still finasteride and minoxidil. Sure, there is some stuff on the horizon, but that was also the case ten years ago. "Five years from now" already existed fifteen years ago.
 

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Lmao it’s not about who’s wrong and who’s right, I could care less about how many times I was right on a hairloss forum. Read the definition you posted. Under those restrictions anything is a disease and thats literally a fact, being short undoubtedly falls in that definition. Similar to being fat or having hormone irregularities or having a low IQ. Im here to give you honest logical answers, 1 plus 1 equals two. Not throw data and links at someone to prove that on the largest technicality their wrong.

“black people make most money than any other ethnic group when adjusted for IQ”. Just lmao, nice statement. Ive worked with datasets that have over 100 million records. When you start filtering on conditions that are so irrelevant and abstract you get results that are confounding on other factors and variables. How many black individuals with high IQ (measure bias in analysis) were measured compared to whites? Id take it due to other confounding factors...enviroment, educational opportunity, financial backings etc that measure is awfully skewed and disproportionate. Take a look at the richest 1000 people in the world... let me know how many are black. You seriously cannot say from a mental standpoint being black in this country is advantageous... delusional and that’s what happens when all you do is find data and fall short on analysis due to ignorance.

So no I will double down, being bald is not a disease. Just because you and I struggle with it in an appearance manner doesn’t mean everyone does in fact a significant percentage of people are not bothered. How can you call them diseased when they’re healthy, normal and happy.

What indeed is a disease is BDD and the constant feeling to fix or change yourself to look adequate for the rest of society and yourself. The constant desire to look for remedies and “cures” and have over 40 things in your regime. So yes, you are diseased.
Arguments here always go off track for no reason. Why does it even matter if hairloss falls under the definition of 'disease' or not? definition of disease can be vague. The whole point was to figure if there could be a 'cure' for hairloss, which depends only on the essence of the hairloss process, not on useless definitions. In this sense, it seems much easier to 'cure' hairloss, than to 'cure' black/white skin or to 'cure' short people.
 

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I am a 22 years old French guy, i live in the most socialist western country. I can tell you that it's now impossible for us, the new generation, to afford houses and even car (in France, the age of the average new car customer is 58).

The only advantage to live here is the free medical care

France is a member of the ECB, the most dictatorial experiment in central banking ever conceived. It's the reason much of Europe is a dead zone economically. You have some very nice socialist programs like health care and education, but the central banking situation is very right-wing. All your economic surplus goes to wealthy bankers and bondholders but not for growing the physical economy. None of the neoliberal/Thatcherized economies are able to grow because of the enormous debt overhead strangling off growth in France, Italy, Canada, USA and English-speaking countries in general. If France was socialist, it would have a strong central bank policy for investing in the real economy instead of letting technocrats and Brussels dictate allocation of resources. French economy is suffocating under neoliberalism/fascism not socialism.
 

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France is a member of the ECB, the most dictatorial experiment in central banking ever conceived. It's the reason much of Europe is a dead zone economically. You have some very nice socialist programs like health care and education, but the central banking situation is very right-wing. All your economic surplus goes to wealthy bankers and bondholders but not for growing the physical economy. None of the neoliberal/Thatcherized economies are able to grow because of the enormous debt overhead strangling off growth in France, Italy, Canada, USA and English-speaking countries in general. If France was socialist, it would have a strong central bank policy for investing in the real economy instead of letting technocrats and Brussels dictate allocation of resources. French economy is suffocating under neoliberalism/fascism not socialism.
True but it's more than that. Cultural socialism is also putting a lot of pressure on the socialist system.

Uncontrolled immigration is also one of the biggest reasons socialism is failing.
 

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Yeah, IQ is totally irrelevant to income.:rolleyes: Take a look at the bell curve for IQ, that explains racial income disparities. There are high IQ black people, and they do very well, but there aren't many. Maybe you think being black in Africa is easier than being black in America.

BDD is a psychological disorder, and psychological disorders are not diseases according to leftist dogma. You are going against the party, report to the reeducation camp for more programming.
Listen to yourself. You’re educating me on wording and classifications of disorders. “Look at the bell curve”. You know nothing about statistics and thats apparent in your language and analysis pf whats going on. Please answer me how is IQ is collected in those datasets... yea thats right it definately does not favor white, educated, catered kids and adults who have seen the general layout of those tests various times. In fact, if you were to even search the history of IQ tests you’ll realize it’s a false measurement of intelligence. You’ll see that it was designed to group kids in elementary school to their respective brain power all invented by a frenchmen (I believe). There’s more to data besides collecting it and filtering on some factor and reporting results. The statement that you quoted about black people filtered on IQ and money is what people will call statistically insignificant estimator.

why is it that I’m continuously telling you your statistical understanding is flawed beyond belief.... perhaps because you keep using sh*t you have no idea about to make wild and uneducated claims. Should you be implementing 1/40th of your daily regime right about now? Imagine having to do 40 things a day to keep your hair... yea Id start thinking I knew sh*t I had no clue about too.
 

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Arguments here always go off track for no reason. Why does it even matter if hairloss falls under the definition of 'disease' or not? definition of disease can be vague. The whole point was to figure if there could be a 'cure' for hairloss, which depends only on the essence of the hairloss process, not on useless definitions. In this sense, it seems much easier to 'cure' hairloss, than to 'cure' black/white skin or to 'cure' short people.
But you cant cure it... lol. You can treat it to a degree in which it is not a problem or apparent and if thats what you mean by cure then yea sure Ill buy in. It is just very misleading to say cure and at the same time have babies that are born that are predisposed to baldness and have them start losing their hair... until they hop on TREATMENTS. If it were cured they would never lose it in the first place. Again, Im not here to knit pick definitions and tell you you’re wrong, just trying to have logical conversations with people that’ll like to stick to speaking on things in which they have some sort of knowledge about.
 

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You're the worst case of specialization bias I've ever seen. You truly understand nothing about anything beyond your specialization, but think your specialization gives you an understanding of everything. Grow up. I'm not going to sit here asks argue semantics with you. You can call it whatever you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that people can and have virtually completely reversed their Androgenetic Alopecia, or that my hair is twice as thick as it was at Christmas time.

What has made your hair so much better? Dermarolling?
 

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You're the worst case of specialization bias I've ever seen. You truly understand nothing about anything beyond your specialization, but think your specialization gives you an understanding of everything. Grow up. I'm not going to sit here asks argue semantics with you. You can call it whatever you'd like, it doesn't change the fact that people can and have virtually completely reversed their Androgenetic Alopecia, or that my hair is twice as thick as it was at Christmas time.
Um. Lol. All that sounds like to me is that you don’t specialize in anything. Being specialized in data, statistics, and modeling does indeed give you understanding of everything analytical. I have never said I understand something in which I do not, such as receptors, biology and terminology. I hope at the base level of everything you understand that all you are doing is playing a very dangerous game of fake chemist. In which you yourself are the test subject and your implementation of methods is via largely to anecdotal data. Yikes!

Its not that people are scared to experiment... it is that they are not desperate enough to experiment. “Lower this receptor here, raise that one there”... all of a sudden you’re Frankenstein.
 
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