''DHT do not do much for man after puberty'' with all respect stop with that bro science bullshit omg.. you just want to convince yourself that .....
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''DHT do not do much for man after puberty'' with all respect stop with that bro science bullshit omg.. you just want to convince yourself that .....
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I could be 100% wrong but it does seem to have limited purposes once a male is fully developed. As far as convincing myself, I made the choice to start taking this stuff and I gotta live with it no matter what happens so it's not like I'm in denial thinking it's all gonna be okay.
Its all good bro.
But yes i can understand the science fact that dht IS VERY IMPORTANT during puberty. And it can be less important after puberty. But ''less'' is very different than ''no more''.
The human body as we look at of now is the results of millions of years of evolution. If Dht would be useless after puberty. Than it would be written in our DNA that naturally the dht level of a man after puberty would go to zero after couple of months or years.
The evolution is all about getting rid of what we dont need and obtaining things that we should have. If Dht is not important after puberty, mens in 2019 would not have any after their puberty. because a long processus of getting rid of rid would have started hundred of thousand of years about in the beginning of homo sapiens.
I'm not aiming at you at all ! but sometimes when i read broscientists telling ''dht is useles after puberty'' i wanna put a bullet in my brain. Like yes dude, your 19 years old *** no more about what is important for the human male body than millions of year of evolution.. (facepalm).
There are many hormones that the human body reduce its production while you age. and that is totally true with dht too i admit it. Its the same things with the testosterone hormone. The body reduce its production over time and specially after 30 because the the ''top'' reproduction time for a human male is historically his 20's.
Why does the human female body reduce drastically its production of milk once the ''breastfeeding period'' of the child is over !? Because the body knows it is now useless. THATS IT. The human body is a near perfect machine that comes from millions of year of evolution.
A man that tells me :
I know that dht is still useful for the male human after puberty, but i still take the personnal choice of nuking it by 70-90% for the rest of my life because my hair is more important than pretty much everything for me.
Then he got 100 % of my respect and i should mind my own business.
But a man that tells me : I can nuke 90% of my dht in my twenties and it does not change anything because it has no use after puberty !
(facepalm)
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First of all, good luck on your journey. Hopefully you get the wanted results and no downsides. I am pretty sure it's possible. It'd be nice if you can update regarding your results. Secondly, are you aware of any serious that shows proof of DHT not being useful after puberty anymore? I find it curious because this is only or mainly floated in the hair loss world only. Also, I am not aware of any other hormone being dismissed as useless after a certain age. Especially such a certain age.
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Obviously we're getting into conjecture and theories but it's worth considering. I wouldn't say DHT is useless after puberty but the question is how necessary is it?
It's a debate that has been happening a long time on hair forums and there's no clear answer but think about it from a more common sense perspective. There's a lot of people reducing their DHT by 70-95% with drugs like finasteride/dutasteride for many years now and they are not changed. That goes to show that, at least in immediate terms, it is difficult to see the necessity. Even when we talk about sides, is it the increased E levels? Change in prolactin? Sex-binding hemoglobin? The 5AR enzyme and the other functions they provide besides T to DHT conversion? How many people with PFS have had their sides reversed from DHT cream or other treatments? I've seen many that say it didn't help so there may be more to it as we all suspect.
From everything I can see, it doesn't "seem" necessary in the short or medium term but that's a big claim to make. Maybe in 50 years we all have destroyed our neurological function or develop some new and unusual prostate diseases but it's unclear.
It's a debate that has been happening a long time on hair forums and there's no clear answer but think about it from a more common sense perspective. There's a lot of people reducing their DHT by 70-95% with drugs like finasteride/dutasteride for many years now and they are not changed. That goes to show that, at least in immediate terms, it is difficult to see the necessity. Even when we talk about sides, is it the increased E levels? Change in prolactin? Sex-binding hemoglobin? The 5AR enzyme and the other functions they provide besides T to DHT conversion? How many people with PFS have had their sides reversed from DHT cream or other treatments? I've seen many that say it didn't help so there may be more to it as we all suspect.
From everything I can see, it doesn't "seem" necessary in the short or medium term but that's a big claim to make. Maybe in 50 years we all have destroyed our neurological function or develop some new and unusual prostate diseases but it's unclear.
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I know man. It's pretty hard to draw any solid conclusions considering that it's more like he said she said. That's why I was wondering if you're aware of any solid studies regarding the importance or lack of it when it comes to DHT after a certain age. I hope the next generation has a true and risk-free hair loss solution that treats the cause and not the symptoms. If not at least I hope that all the people that are hopping on the pill as well as those that don't and lose their hair instead offer some sort of guidance for them and what to do. Obviously they have to be smarter than us cuz we can't seem capable of having a civilized conversation for too long on this forum. It almost always ends with insults and bickering as if we're not all looking for the same thing: keeping or getting our hair back. You may have mentioned it but how long have you been on Fina?
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I definitely value the experience others have so I can learn from it.
from what i read the majority of family doctor or dermatologists will go with the mercks ''only 1 %or 2 can get sides and if you stop the sides will completely go away''. My own family doctor told me that. And a private dermatologist that cost me 200 $ cad for 20 min told me the exact same thing. i remember it was two years ago in Montreal. The guy even told me that he prescribe the drug to 17-18 years old boys with no problems. I remember he told me that i was pretty lucky that my hair loss only started at 24 comparing to them. I went out with a finasteride prescription and threw it in the trash once i got home. This private dermatologist convinced me not to, I could smell how he only cared about making the most drugs prescriptions as possible and make more money.
Another point, i talked to my doctor and this dermatologist about all the upcoming treatments, big pharmas working on different treatments, the upcoming science in hair loss (all the info i learned here and online). DAM ... NONE knew anything about what i was talking about. I named to both of them 5-6 of the biggest companies or the differents ways that hair loss could be cured and they still did not know not even 1 % of what in was talking about.
I even once heard one of the most reputed pharmacist in the Quebec province (canada) on TELEVISION that propecia can have sometimes side effects on men because it will lower your testoterone level... (when in fact it fuckin make it rises).
All of that to claim one point family doctors, general dermatologists, pharmacist. THEY DONT KNOW sh*t ABOUT HAIR LOSS AND THE MECHANICS BEHIND IT.
Every average joe on this forum with 1-2 years of intense reading will be WAYYYY MORE educated on hair loss than them.
Then, i asked privately online to two differents endocrinologists about the subject. (both from quebec province)
and TADAM both where extremely cautious about the drug and told me that they only recommend its consumption if its to help with dangerous health problem like prostate cancer,etc.
yeah thats true ! forget about what i said !
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Some time ago in one of the threads here, I actually raised the question of whether dermatologists are best to prescribe finasteride considering that its mechanism of action crosses into endocrinology. Man, the venom some people spat...
If you ask a question that somehow threatens the idea some people have formed about this drug they'll curse your mother and father and anything saint. I honestly don't understand why
If you ask a question that somehow threatens the idea some people have formed about this drug they'll curse your mother and father and anything saint. I honestly don't understand why
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I will keep reporting back on how finasteride is going for me and dutasteride if I ever make the switch. If I get sides I will most likely quit and report what happens after that too. But there's also the question of how much is aging and how much is the drugs.
Say in 10 years I start getting reduced libido or something else. That happens to many guys naturally when they get old so was it supposed to happen to me too or was it the stuff I'm taking? These things get pretty complicated.
Say in 10 years I start getting reduced libido or something else. That happens to many guys naturally when they get old so was it supposed to happen to me too or was it the stuff I'm taking? These things get pretty complicated.
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I wouldn't advocate many people on this forum to take finasteride. Dutasteride to me is off the table as I think it's too strong, no matter what Norwood you are. Here's what I think.
Receding hairline? Not a big deal, it doesn't look that bad and many hair styles are still an option.
Slightly thinning crown? Can be covered up a bit with concealer, or grow your hair out a bit and it's layered over.
Had I not started diffusing all over in a Norwood 6 pattern, I would have never taken it. I would have been perfectly fine with a thin crown or receded hairline. I just saw that I was going to go slick bald in my twenties and that was something I couldn't deal with. This drug literally saved me from going from at least some hairline and coverage to absolutely nothing on top. That to me is worth the risk of side effects, but of course this is all my personal risk tolerance and state of desperation I was in.
I was failing out of university, couldn't concentrate at all, felt my life was over. It was truly a dark time that I wouldn't wish upon anyone.
Receding hairline? Not a big deal, it doesn't look that bad and many hair styles are still an option.
Slightly thinning crown? Can be covered up a bit with concealer, or grow your hair out a bit and it's layered over.
Had I not started diffusing all over in a Norwood 6 pattern, I would have never taken it. I would have been perfectly fine with a thin crown or receded hairline. I just saw that I was going to go slick bald in my twenties and that was something I couldn't deal with. This drug literally saved me from going from at least some hairline and coverage to absolutely nothing on top. That to me is worth the risk of side effects, but of course this is all my personal risk tolerance and state of desperation I was in.
I was failing out of university, couldn't concentrate at all, felt my life was over. It was truly a dark time that I wouldn't wish upon anyone.
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How long did you take it I am taking dutasteride for the last 9 months I am norwood 1.5 but I am covering it well. I don't have enough energy throughout the day I don't have as much hard penis as I used to And my orgasms are literally gone I don't feel anything Just the sperm coming out of my penis that's it.Orgasms make men happy and I am not happy for the last 9 months bro.What was your experience I am getting money for exchange for my modelling in london If I don't meet their standarts I cannot live in this city It is impossible for me.I am becoming suicidal I don't know if it is the 5AR BLOCKERS in the brain that are doing this stuff.
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I am not taking dutasteride but I've been on finasteride for 3 years now. Have not had side effects yet, to my knowledge, although I don't really know because I'm scared to take a break and compare life without finasteride, as my hair loss was very aggressive.
do you have morning boners every day ?
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what else are you on? minoxidil? How long did it take for finasteride to become effective?
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Not really sure, I haven't been paying attention to that. I don't want to psyche myself out into thinking I have sides when it could be nocebo effect, could be stress, could be many things.
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I also derma stamp with an A6 pen about once every two weeks. I go pretty hard where I have some bleeding so that's why I don't do it once a week, because I read that 1 week isn't sufficient time for the scalp to heal.
Yes I've been on minoxidil for 3 years as well, starting off on foam but I've moved to foam at night and liquid in the morning. I'm not sure foam penetrates as well as liquid but I wanted to use both just to be on the safe side.
It's hard for me to say when I noticed finasteride working, but I can say that my rate of loss has definitely decreased dramatically. I've held pretty stable for the past few years thank god, but it could be the minoxidil and derma rolling working in synergy too, it's hard to say.
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got an after (recent) picture? you were wise to take action sooner rather than later.