Bald Lobby for Kerry

[Thinning]

Hey,
In reality the vote comes down to 2 simple things.

If you want low taxes vote Bush.

If you want less americans casualties in Iraq vote Kerry.

Neither one of them will get away with radically changing policy. Most of you jokers feel to strongly about this stuff, in reality neither one of them will affect your world very much. You ought to spend more time in local politics, like state, county and city issues, those have a higher chance of changing something in your day to day life.

 

[Vampa]

I agree with Thinning to a degree.

If we went back to pre-Depression,you'd be absolutely right. After the Constitution was ratified, every power-hungry person went to their state governments.

Unfortuantely, this country has been plagued with whiners. When their state government doesn't do something they want, they complain to the higher authority (federal government). Notice that most problems in this country are directed solely at the president and not accross the board? Why is no one demanding that their governor create jobs, improve educational standards, fix healthcare, ect ect? That's the real problem.

Right now our taxes are being collected in about a 70/30 ration (federal/state). If this was reversed, then the nation would be in a much better shape. Then you could go complain to your governor to fund stem cell research, tax people to death, legalize abortion or whatever.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Notice that most problems in this country are directed solely at the president and not accross the board?

Ummm. Where does the buck stop?

 

[mvpsoft]

For the last four years the Republicans have controlled (at the federal level) the executive branch, the legislative branch, and as the 2000 results show, the judicial branch, at least at the highest level. If you like what's going on in this country (biggest deficits in history, $200 bil. spent in Iraq, over 1,000 Americans dead in Iraq, insurgency in Iraq getting stronger, Bin Laden still on the loose, etc.) in the last four years, vote Republican. If you don't, vote Democrat. The ones that are in control have to be held accountable, for good or for ill. That's the nature of a democracy.

 

[Thinning]

For the last four years the Republicans have controlled (at the federal level) the executive branch, the legislative branch, and as the 2000 results show, the judicial branch, at least at the highest level. If you like what's going on in this country (biggest deficits in history, $200 bil. spent in Iraq, over 1,000 Americans dead in Iraq, insurgency in Iraq getting stronger, Bin Laden still on the loose, etc.) in the last four years, vote Republican. If you don't, vote Democrat. The ones that are in control have to be held accountable, for good or for ill. That's the nature of a democracy.

Seems like a pretty simplistic view of current events. And for simple minds thats how you will probably make your choice.

Why dont you blame the democrats for not catching Bin Laden? They had twice as long and they didnt do it.

What Im saying is that you cant blame the president for everything that is wrong in the world. Did Clinton cause the stock market crash? What about junk bonds and day trading? No, of course not.

Make your decision based on who you would like as a spokesperson for this country, because thats all the president does these days. The most fondly remembered presidents of the last 20 years ( Reagan and Clinton ) didnt really do much, they were just great speakers and spokesmen for the USA.

Personally I will probably vote for Kerry. I dont think much of him, but I feel like Bush has harmed our image too much abroad with his heavy handedness. Best to give someone else a shot at fixing it.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

You know you're right on the money about Clinton.

Saudi Arabia asked us to station 10,000 of our troops on their soil after the Gulf War in '92, in order to protect them.

In 1994 Osama ordered Jihad, telling us to leave Arabia, take our soldiers and females off their holy ground of Mecca and Medina.

Had Clinton done that, and brought back our soldiers from Saudi Arabia during his first administration, no Bin Laden, no Al Qaeda, and no 9/11.

Even though I'm for Kerry, I think he is a weak and lumbering presence.

Every times he speaks, he should be CLOSING THE DEAL. And the fact that he can't do that - troubles me immensely.

And he sticks his tongue out after every other sentence, which also troubles me.

 

[Vampa]

Where does the buck stop?

It should stop with your governor on any issues not given to the president under the authority of the Constitution. This includes:

-The economy (the government in general should have no business with this)

-Education

-Roads

-Healthcare

What you ought to complain directly to the president about are things like...

-any aspect of the military/nation security

-civil rights

-taxes

-diplomatic negotiations

-treaties that will be ratified

-forcing states to abide by the Constitution

 

[Matgallis]

For the last four years the Republicans have controlled (at the federal level) the executive branch, the legislative branch, and as the 2000 results show, the judicial branch, at least at the highest level. If you like what's going on in this country (biggest deficits in history, $200 bil. spent in Iraq, over 1,000 Americans dead in Iraq, insurgency in Iraq getting stronger, Bin Laden still on the loose, etc.) in the last four years, vote Republican. If you don't, vote Democrat. The ones that are in control have to be held accountable, for good or for ill. That's the nature of a democracy.

Hmm well some misleading info here, biggest deficit as in money numbers... Do you think the same money vaule without correction of inflation is truely accurate? Take for example the depression, the deficit was nothing compared to as a % to how much it dropped...

I had found some graphs awhile back that showed by % the deficits by year. It hasn't even been bad the past 4 years. What's the unemployment rate? 5%-6%? In 1930 it was like 30%....

Bin Laden is most likely dead, or is going to remain in hiding for a long long time.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Not to mention we are not the only country in this world who has science and can invent/solve things. Tynan, you guys have science over there across the friendly Atlantic?

I'm happy to tell you on behalf of Tynan (who is back in solitary after being caught selling hair dots to fellow inmates) that us Brits have science and aren't afraid to use it. Apparently so do those strange European people that live across the English Channel, I've even heard talk of the inhabitants of distant lands, where the Sun rises and Dragons roam freely, achieving scientific advancement. :wink:

Slarti

 

[DAC21]

Damned straight, Bomb. The GOP is moving this country backwards. Less freedom, less knowledge, less of everything except for tax breaks for the elite.

MidnightFlyer, I support your motion 100%. Kerry for Pres!

Please elaborate my moronic uninformed friend. I don't want to hear BS,
aka Dan Rather, just bother us with facts please!

 

[DAC21]

For the last four years the Republicans have controlled (at the federal level) the executive branch, the legislative branch, and as the 2000 results show, the judicial branch, at least at the highest level. If you like what's going on in this country (biggest deficits in history, $200 bil. spent in Iraq, over 1,000 Americans dead in Iraq, insurgency in Iraq getting stronger, Bin Laden still on the loose, etc.) in the last four years, vote Republican. If you don't, vote Democrat. The ones that are in control have to be held accountable, for good or for ill. That's the nature of a democracy.

Hmm well some misleading info here, biggest deficit as in money numbers... Do you think the same money vaule without correction of inflation is truely accurate? Take for example the depression, the deficit was nothing compared to as a % to how much it dropped...

I had found some graphs awhile back that showed by % the deficits by year. It hasn't even been bad the past 4 years. What's the unemployment rate? 5%-6%? In 1930 it was like 30%....

Bin Laden is most likely dead, or is going to remain in hiding for a long long time.

Matgallis is on to it, just not hitting it on the head. A more accurate analysis of the deficit should be knocked against the current GDP. For you parrot head morons whom just repeat what you hear on the ABC soup networks, do some homework on the Deficit vs. GDP. We are not in bad shape at all. Matter of fact have a look at deficit graphs for the last 50 years, you Kerry morons will find we have been in the hole for a majority of that time.

Hello! the end of the world isn't upon us. The only reason BJ Klinton had a surplus is due to him raping the military budget, while allowing a totally bogus Tech economy to reach helium heights. The resulting capital gains tax revenue from the over bought stock market created the surplus. Yes the YOUNG moronic yuppie Tech heads at all the Dot.coms were a major reason for the whole mess. The same punks whom are now crying about jobs loss overseas. They reaped what they sowed.

Find a level headed College Econ 101 teacher (I know, hard to find) and learn something for yourselves. Blaming it all on Bush is a cope out for the defeatist morons like the Bush haters on this board.

Get use to four more years

 

[DAC21]

Hey,
In reality the vote comes down to 2 simple things.

If you want low taxes vote Bush.

If you want less americans casualties in Iraq vote Kerry.

Neither one of them will get away with radically changing policy. Most of you jokers feel to strongly about this stuff, in reality neither one of them will affect your world very much. You ought to spend more time in local politics, like state, county and city issues, those have a higher chance of changing something in your day to day life.

Immature analysis my friend. In the long run, do you think a Kerry Presidency will amount to less casualties? Please Remember 3,000 dead in one day vs. 1,000 dead in Iraq (18 months)

Maybe in the battlefield, but not at home. You guys need to stop looking at these candidates at a superficial level. Kerry is a closet Communist, he could have only survived as long as he has by being a politician in Mass. If not for the Teddy “Chappaquiddickâ€

 

[DAC21]

You know you're right on the money about Clinton.

Saudi Arabia asked us to station 10,000 of our troops on their soil after the Gulf War in '92, in order to protect them.

In 1994 Osama ordered Jihad, telling us to leave Arabia, take our soldiers and females off their holy ground of Mecca and Medina.

Had Clinton done that, and brought back our soldiers from Saudi Arabia during his first administration, no Bin Laden, no Al Qaeda, and no 9/11.

Even though I'm for Kerry, I think he is a weak and lumbering presence.

Every times he speaks, he should be CLOSING THE DEAL. And the fact that he can't do that - troubles me immensely.

And he sticks his tongue out after every other sentence, which also troubles me.

"Even though I'm for Kerry, I think he is a weak and lumbering presence"


Please tell me specifically why you are for Kerry? Your life, your family's life is more important than anything else.

If you are rational (no guarantee) I'll talk you out of it.

 

[DAC21]

Hey,
In reality the vote comes down to 2 simple things.

If you want low taxes vote Bush.

If you want less americans casualties in Iraq vote Kerry.

Neither one of them will get away with radically changing policy. Most of you jokers feel to strongly about this stuff, in reality neither one of them will affect your world very much. You ought to spend more time in local politics, like state, county and city issues, those have a higher chance of changing something in your day to day life.

Immature analysis my friend. In the long run, do you think a Kerry Presidency will amount to less casualties? Please Remember 3,000 dead in one day vs. 1,000 dead in Iraq (18 months)

Maybe in the battlefield, but not at home. You guys need to stop looking at these candidates at a superficial level. Kerry is a closet Communist, he could have only survived as long as he has by being a politician in Mass. If not for the Teddy “Chappaquiddickâ€

 

[DAC21]

For the last four years the Republicans have controlled (at the federal level) the executive branch, the legislative branch, and as the 2000 results show, the judicial branch, at least at the highest level. If you like what's going on in this country (biggest deficits in history, $200 bil. spent in Iraq, over 1,000 Americans dead in Iraq, insurgency in Iraq getting stronger, Bin Laden still on the loose, etc.) in the last four years, vote Republican. If you don't, vote Democrat. The ones that are in control have to be held accountable, for good or for ill. That's the nature of a democracy.

Seems like a pretty simplistic view of current events. And for simple minds thats how you will probably make your choice.

Why dont you blame the democrats for not catching Bin Laden? They had twice as long and they didnt do it.

What Im saying is that you cant blame the president for everything that is wrong in the world. Did Clinton cause the stock market crash? What about junk bonds and day trading? No, of course not.

Make your decision based on who you would like as a spokesperson for this country, because thats all the president does these days. The most fondly remembered presidents of the last 20 years ( Reagan and Clinton ) didnt really do much, they were just great speakers and spokesmen for the USA.

Personally I will probably vote for Kerry. I dont think much of him, but I feel like Bush has harmed our image too much abroad with his heavy handedness. Best to give someone else a shot at fixing it.

'Personally I will probably vote for Kerry. I dont think much of him, but I feel like Bush has harmed our image too much abroad with his heavy handedness. Best to give someone else a shot at fixing it.[/quote]'


Well you said "PROBABLY" So I'll talk you out of it. What is so concerning about what Europe thinks? After all the Euros are ones with a 10% unemployment rate, significant increases in anti-Semitism, Capitulate to terrorists (Spain). Reduced quality of health care due to socialism . Why should they matter?

Stop worrying about what people 3,000 mile away think!

 

[DAC21]

Kerrynomics

Kerry the hypocrite bashes Bush over the deficite, yet if you add up just a fraction of his campaign promises, he adds trillions $ over and above the current budget. Well how does he intend to pay for it?, he claims by taxing families that make over 200K. Of course the families whom make over 200K could only make up a small fraction of the deficite of Kerry's promises. Well then I guess it will then be up to the families making 100K, or 75K............. Here is a typical 200K individual... comments per the Wall Street Journal


I grew up in a lower-middle-class household. I studied hard and put myself through a good college. Ten years ago, I started my own company and for the past four years my income has exceeded $200,000 a year. Last year, I paid 40 percent of my income for self-employment, state and federal income taxes. From the remaining, I support five people, pay for health insurance and save for retirement. Teresa Kerry, with assets exceeding $500 million, pays less than 2 percent (includes her foundation income). Instead of raising the taxes on the person flying around the world on the Gulfstream G5, John Kerry wants to put a bigger tax burden on the one driving the ’97 Intrepid with more than 100,000 miles on it. While his rhetoric attacks the wealthy, his policies attack the middle class.

Michael O’Guin
Dove Canyon, CA
[Courtesy of "Letters to the Editor," Wall Street Journal]



Stop and think Kerry morons, It's the middle class / upper middle class and wealthy whom have the businesses which employee tens of millions of Americans. Whenyou put the screws to them with Kerrnomics, who losses?. The laid off workers.

Get a clue

 

[Odelay]

F.Y.I. for anyone that goes to dinner parties, social events, etc. there are certain things you don't bring up unless you are looking to start an arguement/debate and possibly tick some people off.

1.) The Yankee's (only applies in the Massachusetts area)
2.) Bucky Dent (again Massachusetts area)
3.) Polictics of any sort

I mean really this junk gets annoying because someone starts one of these posts and it snowballs from there. Just look at this thread and how it is already being drawn out into a debate on who's your favorite candidate. If you want to go on about politics find another site or go to the "off topic" forum because this stuff does not belong in the "men's general hair loss discussions" forum.

I hope this thread gets move or some of you get some self-restraint and stop pouring fuel on the fire.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I hope this thread gets move or some of you get some self-restraint and stop pouring fuel on the fire.

I think you should show some restraint and not open this thread anymore.

DAC21, to think you can talk anyone into voting for a moron who has basically made the entire planet less habitable and less safe. 185 countries were for the Kyoto Treaty - and Bush walked away.

This moron Bush, (who was never elected, but 'selected') is unhealthy for mankind, as well as the environment. His lack of intelligence, his inability to articulate, or admit he's made any mistakes, or see any shades of gray, seriously compromises all of us on this planet. If you can't see this, I would guess you come from a Republican family. No offense, you're just raised that way.

I can only assume you don't know anyone who was killed in this war. If you lost a brother or friend, then we'd see how much you love your God-chosen leader. I have a friend whose brother was killed in Vietnam. His mother flipped-out and NEVER recovered from losing her son.

Bush, the anus, brought us into a war of his choice. Of HIS choice!!! How many more thousands of young people would you have us lose? If you do not see this by now, then it's pointless to discuss this with you. You're doomed to never see the big picture. Enjoy that tax break (you probably don't get)

Since you're such a big conservative, check out Pat Buchannan's book, Where the Right Went Wrong. Even Pat thinks that Bush's foreign policy is an abortion. The world is LESS SAFE. For that alone, he should be FIRED!

MORE RESEARCH, NOT LESS!

 

[Vampa]

"This moron Bush, (who was never elected, but 'selected')"

That's funny, I clearly remember Bush winning votes in enough states to become president in our electoral college system. Maybe you come from an alternate reality, though.

 

[21gone]

Bush, the anus, brought us into a war of his choice. Of HIS choice!!! How many more thousands of young people would you have us lose? If you do not see this by now, then it's pointless to discuss this with you.

Well his choice and the majority of congress and Kerry's vote as well.