Aramando wrote:
"Regarding CAIS, I don't think the existence of any person with COMPLETE androgen insensitivity to androgens. There is a lot of routes, have you seen the androgens tree? "
OH GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now scientists not only dont understand Male Pattern Baldness, but have misdiagnosed Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, and all those people walking around with luxuriant heads of hair with AIS, and no chest, arm, leg, hand, finger, belly, or back hair actually do have some androgenic stimulation, but we have all just missed it.
I just love this too:
"So, Stephen, nature is squanderer. Nature waste time and energy to develop system that are innecesary, ?? "
Manatee's have remnants of feet, even though they spend their whole life in the water. They sure as hell dont need those feet.
Why are some people born with webbed feet or even webbed hands?
For that matter, why are some people born with a predisopostion to horrible acne or born blind? Nature sure as hell squandered a few opportunities with them didn't it?
Lets quote Armando and dissect everything that he purports:
"Probably all hairs needs androgens to be healthy, but the problem is how much androgens are present in pilosebaceous unit. +++++++++++GEE, I GUESS NOSE HAIR IN MEN AND WOMEN AND EAR HAIR IN MEN AND WOMEN NEED ANDROGENS HUH? EYE LASHES ANYONE? DO THEY NEED ANDROGENS TOO?
hair body use androgens to grow.
scalp "privileged" hairs are in contact with androgens.
scalp hairs prone to common hair loss are also in contact, years ago puberty, with androgens.
What could be the problem? +++++++++++++++++++++MALE PATTERN BALDNESS IS THE PROBLEM
maybe the amount of it. Body hairs are, probably, more resistent to high androgen concentration than scalp hairs. +++++++++++++++++++ BODY HAIRS ARE MORE THAN RESISTANT ARMANDO, THEY LIKE AND THRIVE WITH MORE ANDROGENS, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GENETIC PROGRAMMING AND HAVE BEEN SHOWN IN EXPERIMENTS TO REACT POSITIVELY WITH ANDROGENIC STIMULI AS OPPOSED TO HAVING NO RESPONSE OR A NEGATIVE RESPONSE AS male pattern baldness HAIRS DO
Do you know any work saying that it is possible the growth of healthy hairs without any androgens? I don't. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++YES, BOTH ANDROGEN INSENSITIVITY SYNDROME AND THE SUCCESS OF TREATMENTS LIKE spironolactone, RU58841, AND APPARENTLY BASED ON A WOMEN'S ALOPECIA STUDY AS OF LATE, FLURIDIL ALSO SHOW HAIR GROWS BETTER WHEN RECEPTOR SITES ARE BLOCKED>. A COUPLE OF WOMEN IN THE FLURIDIL STUDY HAD 20% INCREASES IN HAIR DIAMETER IN LESS THAN A YEAR, BLOCKING THE ANDROGEN RECEPTORS.
I remember a study pointing out that even "privileged" hairs are prone to lost if the concentration of steroids are very high. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++THIS STUDY EXISTS ON PUBMED. IVE READ IT. THE THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THAT ALL HAIR HAS ANDROGEN RECEPTORS, BUT WREATH HAIRS HAVE LESS OF THEM. ALSO, WREATH HAIR EXISTS IN AREAS OF THE SCALP THAT MAY VERY WELL HAVE LESS DHT PRESENT FOR WHATEVER REASON (SOME EXPERIMENTS SEEM TO POINT THAT WAY, ANYHOW). IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OLDER BALD MEN IN THEIR SIXTIES, SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, YOU WILL SEE SMALL THIN HIPPOCRATIC WREATS ALSO. YET, THEIR BODY HAIR IS AS THICK AS CAN BE (LIKE MY GRANDFATHERS, WHOSE CHEST HAIR ALONE COULD COVER THE TOP OF HIS SCALP WITH LARGE, THICK, GREY FOLLICLES).
Underarm hair is present in both sexes (doesn't need androgens), pubic hair is present in females (must not need much), nose hair, eyelashes, eyebrows.............................................women have that too.