What Is The Most Effective Diet Plan?

pegasus2

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That is fine, we don't need to talk about the ethical part. I also did not mean it as an equivalent obviously. But to be honest man, and I might be wrong but it kind of sounds like you are making a red herring to not to address the ecological and health-related points I made. This topic is a diet-related one, you were the one that brought ideology into it by the way...

Ideology has become intertwined with diet unfortunately. It's already there, even if not from you, I just pointed it out. Anyways, as to the ecological points, there was a special on PBS where they went out to Wyoming and Montana to document the negative impact that cattle were having on the environment. What they found out was that it was actually beneficial to the ecosystem. Meat is not actually the ecological disaster that it's made out to be. As far as health goes, we could go back and forth all day me posting studies that show a meat-based diet is healthier, and you posting one showing a plant-based diet is healthier. There are pros and cons to both, but I'll tell you I'm a lot healthier than my vegan sister. The key to being healthy is weight training, cardio, and avoiding starches and sugars.
 

INT

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Ideology has become intertwined with diet unfortunately. It's already there, even if not from you, I just pointed it out. Anyways, as to the ecological points, there was a special on PBS where they went out to Wyoming and Montana to document the negative impact that cattle were having on the environment. What they found out was that it was actually beneficial to the ecosystem. Meat is not actually the ecological disaster that it's made out to be.

Come on man, the ecological impact of a worldwide industry cannot be measured by just going to one place... I would like to see this study (if it was an actual study, because based on your description that seems unlikely)

As far as health goes, we could go back and forth all day me posting studies that show a meat-based diet is healthier, and you posting one showing a plant-based diet is healthier.
Yes we could do that, that is how you do scientific discussions. Then we can judge the studies on validity and maybe find a consensus on one side or the other (or in the middle). I would definitely be open to do that.


There are pros and cons to both, but I'll tell you I'm a lot healthier than my vegan sister.

Come on man, don't use a single anecdote to make a point. My granddad has been smoking for 60 years and hehis healthier than his brother who never smoked... So what?


The key to being healthy is weight training, cardio, and avoiding starches and sugars.


Most of them are right, one is wrong and you missed a few.
 

Capone

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Sugar, inflammation and eating too much pig is the killer. Just look at the 100+ numbers in Okinawa and Sardinia! Blue zone diet. The proof is in the proverbial pudding!

The problem is a lot of society are a bunch of fat, lazy, pint drinking, pie eating, takeaway ordering, football watching arseholes.
 

disfiguredyoungman

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Eliminating a complete macronutrient is never a good idea if you care about having a balanced diet and long term positive health outcomes

These concepts are overrated, don't be obese and your lifespawn won't change too much no matter what you eat.
 

Derelict

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Well my scales aren't working right now but i'd say i have roughly lost about 42lbs on my diet since end of October beginning of November can't quite remember when i started. I have a cheat day now and again and order a takeaway and eat way way too much lol I plan on not having such an aggressive diet plan once i lose another 24lbs or something. Right now it's roughly 500 calories 4 days of the week water fast for 3. Like i said i my scales aren't working right now but i was 224lbs before i started my diet.
 
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Afro_Vacancy

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Sugar, inflammation and eating too much pig is the killer. Just look at the 100+ numbers in Okinawa and Sardinia! Blue zone diet. The proof is in the proverbial pudding!

The problem is a lot of society are a bunch of fat, lazy, pint drinking, pie eating, takeaway ordering, football watching arseholes.

The idea that the Okinawans were vegans is actually vegan propaganda. Yes, they were very healthy, but they were never vegans. They also ate different legumes and vegetables than Western vegans eat, and they consumed fewer total calories.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet
http://www.tendergrassfedmeat.com/2011/03/01/eat-fat-live-long—the-real-food-of-okinawa/
 

INT

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The idea that the Okinawans were vegans is actually vegan propaganda. Yes, they were very healthy, but they were never vegans. They also ate different legumes and vegetables than Western vegans eat, and they consumed fewer total calories.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet
http://www.tendergrassfedmeat.com/2011/03/01/eat-fat-live-long—the-real-food-of-okinawa/

I rarely heard anyone say that they are vegan tbh. Vegans are also unlikely to say this because they claim that veganism is a lifestyle and eating a vegan diet is merely called plant-based.
 

Afro_Vacancy

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I rarely heard anyone say that they are vegan tbh. Vegans are also unlikely to say this because they claim that veganism is a lifestyle and eating a vegan diet is merely called plant-based.

I was being a bit hyperbolic, the Okinawans have not been claimed to be vegan but they have been claimed to relatively more vegan than other groups. It's been argued by many, many people that the longevity of the Okinawans is due to their low-meat diet. That is wrong on many levels:
- The Okinawans might be different in ways other than their diet. They might have different genetics, different levels of alcohol and tobacco consumption, and a different social organization. Nobody should ever assume that diet is the only factor.
- The Okinawans ate different vegetables and legumes than those commonly eaten in the west, thus, even if a "plant-based" diet was the reason for their success, it wouldn't be relevant. They might simply be eating better plants. They eat a different variety of sweet potato that yields a different blood sugar products. They eat fermented soy products, which are different from soy milk, etc.
- The amount of meat that they were eating was drastically under-estimated by the first analyses. They do eat meat. A lot of it.

Note that the pro-keto crowd has often pulled a similar, equally misleading stunt with the eskimos.

Referring to a vegan diet as a "plant-based" diet is merely a marketing gimmick. I don't care for it.
 

Capone

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I was being a bit hyperbolic, the Okinawans have not been claimed to be vegan but they have been claimed to relatively more vegan than other groups. It's been argued by many, many people that the longevity of the Okinawans is due to their low-meat diet. That is wrong on many levels:
- The Okinawans might be different in ways other than their diet. They might have different genetics, different levels of alcohol and tobacco consumption, and a different social organization. Nobody should ever assume that diet is the only factor.
- The Okinawans ate different vegetables and legumes than those commonly eaten in the west, thus, even if a "plant-based" diet was the reason for their success, it wouldn't be relevant. They might simply be eating better plants. They eat a different variety of sweet potato that yields a different blood sugar products. They eat fermented soy products, which are different from soy milk, etc.
- The amount of meat that they were eating was drastically under-estimated by the first analyses. They do eat meat. A lot of it.

Note that the pro-keto crowd has often pulled a similar, equally misleading stunt with the eskimos.

Referring to a vegan diet as a "plant-based" diet is merely a marketing gimmick. I don't care for it.
I would always have assumed Okinawans were more leaning towards the pescatarian side of the pyramid. Eskimos really only have one good source. They also have the lowest rates of heart disease, not sure about the damage too much salt does.
 

Afro_Vacancy

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I would always have assumed Okinawans were more leaning towards the pescatarian side of the pyramid. Eskimos really only have one good source. They also have the lowest rates of heart disease, not sure about the damage too much salt does.
Nope, the Okinawans ate lamb and pork. They used a lot of lard in particular. The Eskimos are a genetically distinct population with enhanced gluconegenic channels, they ate different meats/fish than westerners do, and they weren't all that healthy.

Vegans, Keto-ans, and Paleo-ans are often untrustworthy propagandists.
 

Capone

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Nope, the Okinawans ate lamb and pork. They used a lot of lard in particular. The Eskimos are a genetically distinct population with enhanced gluconegenic channels, they ate different meats/fish than westerners do, and they weren't all that healthy.

Vegans, Keto-ans, and Paleo-ans are often untrustworthy propagandists.
Ok so In your opinion, what is the best diet to follow for longevity, inflammation and hairloss.
 

INT

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Ok so In your opinion, what is the best diet to follow for longevity, inflammation and hairloss.

A diet low in refined carbohydrates, red meat, dairy, trans fats, processed meat, sodas etc.

But high in nuts, berries, some fatty fish (not too much), cruciferous vegetables, legumes, peppers etc.
 

Afro_Vacancy

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Ok so In your opinion, what is the best diet to follow for longevity, inflammation and hairloss.

There is no convincing information on "the best diet for hairloss". We only have anecdotes and a few weak studies. Keep in mind, hairloss is what your body does naturally. It may well be that a man prone to baldness will bald faster if he eats a diet that is healthy for the other parts of his body, such as the central nervous system and cardiovascular system.

As for general health:
- Cut refined carbs, processed meats, trans-fats;
- Add fermented foods, vegetables, high-fat dairy products, eggs, red meat, oily fish, probably nuts and seeds, berries, tea, fats like olive oil;
- Keep total calories low;
- Include extended periods without eating, at least one 12-hour fast a day, and try to have occasional longer fasts;

I'd like to see more research on the effects of coffee, sweet fruits, legumes/beans, white fish, and white meat. Right now I'll think of them as neutral but that's due to the lack of information.
 
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Lyn_from_UK

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Most effective? Hi-fat Low-carb. BUT....it's a big but...only for those with steely determination and focus to stay on it long term (always), otherwise, like all 'diets', harder than most to live with. Sight or smell of a pizza kills most HFLC beginners... I been on HFLC for years, it even cleared away chronic wrist arthritis within 3 weeks. I kid you not. My BP/cholesterol are great too...lots of misconceptions are smashed on HFLC
 
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