What do you guys think of the Aajonus Vonderplanitz story?

[DammitLetMeIn]

http://drbass.com/aajonus.html

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Thousands follow his methods and he has offered a remedy for balding. I was just wondering what you guys think?

 

[JayB]

Re: What do you guys think of the Aajonus Vonderplanitz stor

http://drbass.com/aajonus.html

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Thousands follow his methods and he has offered a remedy for balding. I was just wondering what you guys think?

i think youre grasping at straws.
I didnt read this junk but for some reason as i was about to X the link i clicked on, this shot out at my face:
"In your book, you stated that you have not engaged in any form of physical exercise (excluding sex of course) for the last seven years and have been able to stay in excellent condition."

haha this guy hasnt had sex in 7 years and has no physical excercise. What a f*****g loser. Yea man follow this guys rule, become the 40 year old virgin who sits on a couch all day and night so that he doesnt overstrain his delicate muscles, and we'll see that mane just grow like a chia pet. Yes, thats the answer howd we not think of this one sooner

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

try reading it again. he has had no physical exercise 'excluding' sex. He reportedly ejaculates every 6 hrs (not that it matters).

try reading the piece.

I'm asking people what they think. I don't know if what the guy says is right or wrong. I don't (as yet) follow his ways. But I see a lot of validity in what he is saying.

 

[The Gardener]

A volunteer for a hospice gave me a small booklet written by a woman who cured herself of cancer by drinking raw carrot juice. I thought that was pretty bizarre and unrealistic. But read the book anyway. I tried the carrot juice.
Within 10 days my dyslexia vanished.

After 2½ years my cancers resurged. Rather than fight it. I chose to die. I selected an old Native American burial ground and began fasting myself to death. After several weeks fasting I had an unusual experience with coyotes. They gave me a freshly killed wild jackrabbit.

I knew I was on the right track by eating raw meat, but I could not set aside the bacteria and parasite phobias. I was especially concerned because the vagus nerve to my stomach had been severed in surgery for stomach cancer. I had no hydrochloric acid to dissolve and annihilate bacteria and parasites upon entering my body. Science and medicine put me in the category of octogenarians who they say, are in danger of death from bacterial and parasitic invasion from lack of hydrochloric acid in the stomach. I continued to eat meat anyway.

In my 35 year I misidentified a poisonous mushroom and ate it. It was the deadliest amanita mushroom, the 'death cap'. I ate enough to kill people my size. My cancers returned twice as bad as they had ever been, and it destroyed 90% of my liver.

:lol:

Have fun with all that.

 

[JayB]

try reading it again. he has had no physical exercise 'excluding' sex. He reportedly ejaculates every 6 hrs (not that it matters).

try reading the piece.

I'm asking people what they think. I don't know if what the guy says is right or wrong. I don't (as yet) follow his ways. But I see a lot of validity in what he is saying.

Oh haha oops hes a nympho i didnt see that lol...well that shits on the other peoples in this forum theory that ejaculating will cause baldness...

but you see where im going here...for every unbacked claim someone on this forum can contradict it and post these ludacrous articles backing up what they say..i stick to scientifically proven treatments.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

A volunteer for a hospice gave me a small booklet written by a woman who cured herself of cancer by drinking raw carrot juice. I thought that was pretty bizarre and unrealistic. But read the book anyway. I tried the carrot juice.
Within 10 days my dyslexia vanished.

[quote:e9123]After 2½ years my cancers resurged. Rather than fight it. I chose to die. I selected an old Native American burial ground and began fasting myself to death. After several weeks fasting I had an unusual experience with coyotes. They gave me a freshly killed wild jackrabbit.

I knew I was on the right track by eating raw meat, but I could not set aside the bacteria and parasite phobias. I was especially concerned because the vagus nerve to my stomach had been severed in surgery for stomach cancer. I had no hydrochloric acid to dissolve and annihilate bacteria and parasites upon entering my body. Science and medicine put me in the category of octogenarians who they say, are in danger of death from bacterial and parasitic invasion from lack of hydrochloric acid in the stomach. I continued to eat meat anyway.

In my 35 year I misidentified a poisonous mushroom and ate it. It was the deadliest amanita mushroom, the 'death cap'. I ate enough to kill people my size. My cancers returned twice as bad as they had ever been, and it destroyed 90% of my liver.

:lol:

Have fun with all that.[/quote:e9123]

Again, I hear ya and I admit its wacky. But try focusing on what he's actually saying:

http://www.ralphmoss.com/html/Vonderplanitz.shtml

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this guy also poo poos him but at least he's taking on what he's saying.

I'm not saying whether hes right or wrong, i'm just throwin it out there for consideration.

http://www.amazon.com/We-Want-Live-Aajo ... F8&s=books

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his book is rated 5 stars by reviewers (not that I'm sayin that means a whole lot, but it means somthing)


Cave men ate raw meat and so did our ancestors and im fairly sure they were hairy

 

[The Gardener]

Cave men ate raw meat and so did our ancestors and im fairly sure they were hairy

They also lived to the ripe old age of 35.

With your median age being somewhere in the low 20's, sure, I'd suspect the Norwood situation in that population group to be a bit better than it is amongst our current population.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Cave men ate raw meat and so did our ancestors and im fairly sure they were hairy

They also lived to the ripe old age of 35.

With your median age being somewhere in the low 20's, sure, I'd suspect the Norwood situation in that population group to be a bit better than it is amongst our current population.

Either way, we were all given the genes to have hair until we die. So its obviously something that we are doing wrong which is causing the hair loss.

Cave men ate raw meat. Their diet consisted of a plethora of cleansing raw fat (much like the eskimo and african tribes).

read this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 080142.htm

If you really don't think our high cooked fat diet is having an effect on hair loss/baldness then how come the post-war japanese are suffering much higher rates of baldness?

 

[The Gardener]

Either way, we were all given the genes to have hair until we die.

That is about as true as saying that we all have the genes to not have to go through puberty.

Cave men ate raw meat. Their diet consisted of a plethora of cleansing raw fat (much like the eskimo and african tribes).

And they all died before reaching age 40.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Either way, we were all given the genes to have hair until we die.

That is about as true as saying that we all have the genes to not have to go through puberty.

Cave men ate raw meat. Their diet consisted of a plethora of cleansing raw fat (much like the eskimo and african tribes).

And they all died before reaching age 40.

Many eskimos today eat a raw fat diet and live well beyond 40.

I read on the internet that thing about everyone having the genes until we die by a scientist/doctor guy.

Also, here's a piece:

As societies that consumed relatively low-fat diets such as pre-World War II Japan experienced almost no pattern baldness, whereas in post-World War II Japan there is an increase in pattern baldness as their society consumes a higher fat diet. In fact, Asian and African men in their native countries traditionally suffer very little Male Pattern Baldness (male pattern baldness). Although when the same peoples come to North America, they begin to develop male pattern baldness. Because people of all races and ethnicities tend to develop male pattern baldness or androgenetic alopecia, yet do not exhibit these tendencies before moving to America, changes in diet may be a leading contributing factor. Diets high in fat do increase testosterone, which is the main component in DHT. More research needs to be done on this topic to reach conclusive evidence, although it certainly could not hurt to lower one’s fat intake.


And heres another piece:

DAVID FOLK THOMAS: Fast food, how does that affect everything?

SHARI LIEBERMAN, PhD: It's a whole bag of worms if we go into fast food. I mean, I don't want to get too complicated.But the types of fat that you're eating when you're eating fast food -- you're really eating mostly arachidonic acid, and you're eating saturated fat, and it's cooked and it changes the structure of the fat.So you're really favoring a prostaglandin profile, which is a hormonal-like substance that would favor inflammation, and I don't believe that that's going to help your skin be healthy or your hair be healthy. It's certainly implicated in arthritis and a lot of inflammatory diseases, so we really want to balance the diet, especially if someone's experiencing that.

Arachdonic Acid is something Spencer David Kobren also mentions in his book as being a pro-inflammatory in bald people.

Anyways, just out of interest, do you eat a lot of meat/cooked dairy?

 

[The Gardener]

Many eskimos today eat a raw fat diet and live well beyond 40.

I've been to Alaska a few times now, and I think you would be very hard pressed to find any evidence to back that statement with. "Eskimos" do NOT eat a raw fat diet in contemporary times.

Also, here's a piece:

As societies that consumed relatively low-fat diets such as pre-World War II Japan experienced almost no pattern baldness, whereas in post-World War II Japan there is an increase in pattern baldness as their society consumes a higher fat diet.

Now you are contradicting yourself. In the para where I took your first quote from you tried to equate a raw fat diet with "hairyness" and health, and now in this quote you are claiming that low fat diets are better for hairloss.

I read on the internet that thing about everyone having the genes until we die by a scientist/doctor guy.

That sounds convincing.

Now, how about some proven science. DHT, in addition to causing hairloss, is equally causative in males going through puberty. You could say that male pattern baldness is a form of the continuing process of puberty continuing to take place in male men. Saying that we have the genes in us to never suffer male pattern baldness would be tantamount to saying that we all have the genes in us to never get chest hair, or a beard, or grow penises.

Anyways, just out of interest, do you eat a lot of meat/cooked dairy?

I eat meat, usually lean cuts and poultry, I rarely eat "cooked dairy", but I do enjoy eating internet quackery when I see it.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Heres another:

Fat & diet update
Baldness more rapid for those on a high fat diet
Baldness is more common in men with high cholesterol or heart problems than in men with healthy hearts. The reason is unknown, but likely explanations include common genetic factors and the fact that the same high-fat diet that elevates cholesterol levels also increases the action of male hormones on the hair follicles.

What matters may not be baldness itself, but how quickly baldness progresses. Men in the Framingham Heart Study were checked for baldness in 1956 and again in 1962, and over the next 30 years they were watched to see who developed heart problems. The results were reported in a recent issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology. Those whose hair loss progressed most rapidly were more likely to develop heart disease.
Reprinted from Good Medicine, No. 2, Spring 1996.

 

[Guest]

You are probably a spammer for the good doctor and your stay on here wil likely be short.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

You are probably a spammer for the good doctor and your stay on here wil likely be short.

what good doctor?

i keep an open mind to everything. I'm not saying anybody is right or wrong.

what I am saying though is that the internet is full of articles and evidence linking high fat to baldness.

you're free to dispute what you want. I dont eat raw meat. I don't follow anyone. I'm merely discussing this because honestly, I don't think anybody was meant to go bald.

 

[Guest]

You are probably a spammer for the good doctor and your stay on here wil likely be short.

what good doctor?

i keep an open mind to everything. I'm not saying anybody is right or wrong.

what I am saying though is that the internet is full of articles and evidence linking high fat to baldness.

you're free to dispute what you want. I dont eat raw meat. I don't follow anyone. I'm merely discussing this because honestly, I don't think anybody was meant to go bald.

It's full of bullshit linking high fat diets to baldness. People go bald because of genetics. It is just that simple. I see plenty of guys in amazing shape at my gym who are slick bald. I see plenty of obese motherfuckers with full heads of hair. Your theories are bullshit.

If I really believed that eating a low fat diet and being in amazing shape could cure my hair loss, I'd be at like 4% body fat right now. I have that kind of dedication when I set my mind to things. But I know this is not the case. What I do know works are DRUGS.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

To Gardner, low fat diet in Japan generally consisted of good fats from fish etc. However, they were still cooked fats thereby male pattern baldness probably still occurred.

However, now that they have moved onto high fat western diet, male pattern baldness has exploded in Japan.

Eskimos did eat a predominatly raw diet until the 50s.

I'm open to discussing this, because I am interested in finding out what causes this.

My hair is shedding and I want to stop it. I have experienced regrowth but not in every area.

 

[The Gardener]

Dammitletmein, have you ever done any research on the hormonal process involved with puberty?

Methinks you should.

Last I checked, Japanese males are still going through puberty. This means they have DHT.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Dammitletmein, have you ever done any research on the hormonal process involved with puberty?

Methinks you should.

Last I checked, Japanese males are still going through puberty. This means they have DHT.

I'm sure they do. But surely you can't dispute the fact that its widely reported that male pattern baldness has exploded in Japan due to the post-war revolution in diet?

I can cite several sources from the internet. But I'm not here to have a personal argument with you. I'm here to find out the truth.

 

[Guest]

Dammitletmein, have you ever done any research on the hormonal process involved with puberty?

Methinks you should.

Last I checked, Japanese males are still going through puberty. This means they have DHT.

I'm sure they do. But surely you can't dispute the fact that its widely reported that male pattern baldness has exploded in Japan due to the post-war revolution in diet?

I can cite several sources from the internet. But I'm not here to have a personal argument with you. I'm here to find out the truth.

please do cite them. i'd like to read these sources

 

[The Gardener]

No, I don't believe the claim that male pattern baldness has "exploded" in Japan.

I'd like to see such a study, it would be interesting to read.

Now, some forms of cancers that were previously rare in Japan have "exploded", and this has been linked to Westernization of their diets, but I have not read any study saying that male pattern baldness in Japan has gotten worse in the last 40 years.

Regardless of this, even if there were increases in male pattern baldness, considering that DHT is as responsible for puberty as it is for male pattern baldness, claiming that people, certain races, or society on the whole "has the genes" to never get male pattern baldness is tantamout to saying that people have the genes to never have to go through puberty.

If a Japanese man grows a dick, he has DHT, period. If he has a less frequent rate of male pattern baldness, it might be due to genetic conditions of his hair having less sensitivity to DHT, perhaps?