What do you guys think of the Aajonus Vonderplanitz story?

[DammitLetMeIn]

50% of men at age 50 in the US have male pattern baldness. 50% don't. Are you seriously trying to claim that the 50% who don't have a deficiency of 5ar or low levels of testosterone? It's not true. They just don't have the genetic sensitivity to it that I do, and I presume you do.

That's why I cut my type II 5AR production by 98.5%, because I am genetically sensitive to it. If I wasn't genetically sensitive to it, I wouldn't be losing hair, and I wouldn't need to be on the drug.[/quote]

This is EXACTLY where we disagree.

Yes 50% are eating too much cooked fat and creating excess 5 alpha reductase s they have male pattern baldness.

The other 50% are genetically deficient in 5 alpha reductase so can't go bald. (some amongst that 50% have 5 alpha but are not eating so much fat that they're in excess creating baldness)

What you are doing by using the drug is turning yourself into the other 50% so as to stop you going bald.

understand?

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

heres some more info, its not just asians but africans too:

The effects of high-fat diets and the increase of DHT (Dihydrotestosterone), a chemical produced by the body found to cause hair loss, is not conclusive at this time. However, there does seem to be a connection; as societies that consumed relatively low-fat diets such as pre-World War II Japan experienced almost no pattern baldness, whereas in post-World War II Japan there is an increase in pattern baldness as their society consumes a higher fat diet. In fact, Asian and African men in their native countries traditionally suffer very little Male Pattern Baldness (male pattern baldness). Although when the same peoples come to North America, they begin to develop male pattern baldness.

Because people of all races and ethnicities tend to develop male pattern baldness or androgenetic alopecia, yet do not exhibit these tendencies before moving to America, changes in diet may be a leading contributing factor. Diets high in fat do increase testosterone, which is the main component in DHT. More research needs to be done on this topic to reach conclusive evidence, although it certainly could not hurt to lower ones fat intake.

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Read

 

[Guest]

Yes 50% are eating too much cooked fat and creating excess 5 alpha reductase s they have male pattern baldness.

The other 50% are genetically deficient in 5 alpha reductase so can't go bald. (some amongst that 50% have 5 alpha but are not eating so much fat that they're in excess creating baldness)

What you are doing by using the drug is turning yourself into the other 50% so as to stop you going bald.

understand?

no thats total bullshit

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Yes 50% are eating too much cooked fat and creating excess 5 alpha reductase s they have male pattern baldness.

The other 50% are genetically deficient in 5 alpha reductase so can't go bald. (some amongst that 50% have 5 alpha but are not eating so much fat that they're in excess creating baldness)

What you are doing by using the drug is turning yourself into the other 50% so as to stop you going bald.

understand?

no thats total bullshit

how? it seems quite straightforward

you are cutting the levels of 5 alpha reductase to the levels of an individual who has genetically low levels hence you, like them, won't go bald

whats so difficult to understand?

 

[Guest]

Yes 50% are eating too much cooked fat and creating excess 5 alpha reductase s they have male pattern baldness.

The other 50% are genetically deficient in 5 alpha reductase so can't go bald. (some amongst that 50% have 5 alpha but are not eating so much fat that they're in excess creating baldness)

What you are doing by using the drug is turning yourself into the other 50% so as to stop you going bald.

understand?

no thats total bullshit

how? it seems quite straightforward

you are cutting the levels of 5 alpha reductase to the levels of an individual who has genetically low levels hence you, like them, won't go bald

whats so difficult to understand?

because YOU ARE WRONG when you claim that 50% of American men at age 50 who don't have male pattern baldness are genetically deficient in 5ar. You are WRONG. Some have the same levels of 5ar that balding men do.

im going to bed but im sure other people will point out how wrong you are by the time i wake up

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Yes 50% are eating too much cooked fat and creating excess 5 alpha reductase s they have male pattern baldness.

The other 50% are genetically deficient in 5 alpha reductase so can't go bald. (some amongst that 50% have 5 alpha but are not eating so much fat that they're in excess creating baldness)

What you are doing by using the drug is turning yourself into the other 50% so as to stop you going bald.

understand?

no thats total bullshit

how? it seems quite straightforward

you are cutting the levels of 5 alpha reductase to the levels of an individual who has genetically low levels hence you, like them, won't go bald

whats so difficult to understand?

because YOU ARE WRONG when you claim that 50% of American men at age 50 who don't have male pattern baldness are genetically deficient in 5ar. You are WRONG. Some have the same levels of 5ar that balding men do.

im going to bed but im sure other people will point out how wrong you are by the time i wake up

YES, SOME do, but those are the ones who either don't eat as much bad fats or whose bodies have not reacted as badly to eating bad fats.

however, most whose hairlines haven't movied a millimetre are deficient in alpha reductase

come on man, it makes perfect sense:

read:

High serum cholesterol levels are known to increase 5 alpha reductase activity and increase binding of testosterone and DHT at receptor sites.

http://www.vibrantlife.co.uk/health_inf ... t_diet.asp

^^
where does bad cholesterol come from???? BAD FATS!!

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Another piece of evidence::

Studies have shown that diets rich with animal fats cause excessive amounts of testosterone to be released into the blood stream. Similarly, people who ate diets low in fat had significantly less testosterone released in their system. High levels of testosterone directly affect the amount of hair loss a person experiences. Research also indicates that high-fat diets limit vital protein binding globulins. These globulins keep testosterone inactive in the body until it is required. A bloodstream without such globulins means that more testosterone is ready to be transformed by the enzyme 5-alpha-reductase (present in hair glands) into DHT. With larger amounts of testosterone circulating in the blood, oil glands can increase activity, thereby providing the system with more harmful DHT. Interestingly enough, areas that frequently have problems with balding contain larger oil glands than areas not associated with balding.

http://www.purehealthandbeauty.com/nutr ... /tips.html

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altho this source suggests that its due to limiting vital binding globulins.

however, fat is still implicated.

this is actually really interesting.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Whether you are right or I am right does not alter the fact that the DHT which binds to the follicle is created by an excess of either 5 alpha reductase or testosterone itself.

It is my contention that cooked fats causes the excess 5 alpha reductase.

 

[So]

Cave men ate raw meat and so did our ancestors and im fairly sure they were hairy

They also lived to the ripe old age of 35.

With your median age being somewhere in the low 20's, sure, I'd suspect the Norwood situation in that population group to be a bit better than it is amongst our current population.

I have spoken briefly about the Paleolithic diet and it's connection to human evolution and health (or lack there of). The age (life expectancy) of our ancestral caveman which has been and gone has little to do with the Paleolithic diet alone and is more closely related to medicinal shortfalls of that period in time.

Do a search.

Diet (environment) is a key instigator in the vast majority of genetic diseases, however it's effects by large are best measured over great lengths of time. Though it is important to note that this is not to say that the effects of diet are not measurable over our own lifetime too, because they certainly are.

There are some truths that are not fully understood and thus we debate, again and again.

 

[DammitLetMeIn]

Cave men ate raw meat and so did our ancestors and im fairly sure they were hairy

They also lived to the ripe old age of 35.

With your median age being somewhere in the low 20's, sure, I'd suspect the Norwood situation in that population group to be a bit better than it is amongst our current population.

I have spoken briefly about the Paleolithic diet and it's connection to human evolution and health (or lack there of). The age (life expectancy) of our ancestral caveman which has been and gone has little to do with the Paleolithic diet alone and is more closely related to medicinal shortfalls of that period in time.

Do a search.

Diet (environment) is a key instigator in the vast majority of genetic diseases, however it's effects by large are best measured over great lengths of time. Though it is important to note that this is not to say that the effects of diet are not measurable over our own lifetime too, because they certainly are.

There are some truths that are not fully understood and thus we debate, again and again.

have you read the whole thread, i think it progressed beyond this point