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Was Cured For 2 Years (spironolactone + dutasteride), But Now Looking For A New Cure

Discussion in 'Success Stories' started by Quineapig, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Screeech

    Screeech Established Member My Regimen

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    Yeah, I'm going to give it a try after Nizoral did nothing for my itch.

    I have a systemic fungal infestation (candida) which I know is responsible for itching and preventing Propecia from having any affect, which I pray to god I can rectify within a month or so.

    I read that T-gel was the shampoo used in the official Propecia trials, not Nizoral; and also that from reading old forum posts from 10 or so years ago that it seemed to have a good effect on people who had no results with Nizoral, but for whatever reason it has just absolutely faded into obscurity since then.

    I know you said Nizoral worked well for you, so you might not fit into the basket anyway.

    Also, it is recommended as a general rule to rotate shampoos that treat fungal conditions (such as Nizoral and T-gel) because otherwise the fungus is able to develop a resistance to it due to the sustained exposure to the relatively ineffective anti fungal properties present in the product which can only 'manage' rather than 'cure' the problem similar to the trace amounts concept in vaccines.
     
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    How do you know you have a systemic fungal infection?
     
  3. Screeech

    Screeech Established Member My Regimen

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    I have oral thrush, folliculitis on my forehead and also had these psoriasis pustules on my scrotum for a period which I have all treated effectively by applying Nizoral (save for the oral thrush) as well as using topical natural anti fungals like apple cider vinegar effectively.

    Those products all fight symptoms of fungal infections such as those, Nizoral of course contains ketoconazole which is a medical grade anti fungal which is even stronger than apple cider vinegar and the like.

    I have all the other markers of candida as well.
     
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    Ziggyz123 Established Member

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    If you have all of that, why aren’t you on something like itraconazole or something... your hair loss and itch, if you do have a fungal issue, could be giving you seb derm. And with all of your signs and symptoms, assuming you’ve seen a doctor about these, you should be on something like itraconazole..
     
  5. Screeech

    Screeech Established Member My Regimen

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    Long-term use of an Azole eventually results in the effects wearing off and once you develop resistance to one Azole it affects your relationship with all of them.

    I'm doing Nystatin enemas currently - which is a different type of medical grade anti fungal with no risk of developed immunity - which I believe is a once and for all cure if I can get the method right.

    Azoles just manage it, but it will return again soon after stopping - in my case at least.

    I actually think this could be a cure for a lot of people with hair loss due to unresolvable inflammation and itch, but we'll see.

    Candida is very hard to cure once and for all, but a small selection of people who have done Nystatin enemas have made complete recoveries from what is notoriously an almost impossible to recover from illness.
     
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  6. Screeech

    Screeech Established Member My Regimen

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    OP,

    Have you tried putting natural anti fungals like apple cider vinegar on your head?

    If you have a fungal infection it could possibly help treat it as it does the same thing as Nizoral, which you may have developed a resistance to if it is no longer working.

    I didn't realise you had itching too, I just remembered you as the guy who had seemed to have tried everything and was a bit of an encyclopaedia.

    Another thing is oral ketoconazole - you can actually buy Nizoral tablets which obviously have ketoconazole - as well as some of the others Azoles likes fluconazole, which all treat yeast infections.

    If you have a systemic yeast infection and the hair loss is due to it, then this should tell you for certain and then you could set about undertaking a pathogenic yeast protocol for your gut.

    I saw you mention you have "pimples" on your forehead. Are they a constant thing and do they look like the ones that show up when you Google "forehead folliculitis"?

    Small bumpy ones, no whiteheads usually?
     
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    Hussam Established Member My Regimen

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    @Quineapig any Update ? Are u still taking 250mg spironolactone?
    And why are u not considering taking cyproterone acetate instead of spironolactone ?
     
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    Yes, Im still on 250mg spironolactone. Not much have changed lately, so hairloss doesn't bother me at the moment. Trying to focus studying and enjoying life.
    In december - january I got alot of dandruff and dryness on my scalp, but I found a solution for it... rubbing desinfectant gel on my scalp :) works great. Feels like it has improved my scalp health overall. Idk if it's just temporary tho.
    I would also like to buy a derminator but im out of money at the moment :/

    Why I'm not considering cyproterone acetate?
    I am :) it's just that my doctor won't allow it... I try to ask him for some cypro next time.
     
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    Sry, I never saw this post :D

    Yes, Ive tried other anti fungals and apple cider vinegar, but they were too mild. I don't believe in natural remedies anymore.

    I can't get oral ketoconazole in my country. I tried some antifungal drugs at the beginning but they are just temporary solution and won't cure the culprit - androgens.

    No it doesn't look like forehead folliculitis. They are more like normal acne pimples varying in size and they are quite sparce, about 5-8 or so. It seems to be calming down tho. Maybe because of adding desinfectant gel on my scalp and forehead...
    pretty much like in this pic, but usually closer to hairline.
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    what was your regimen with duta and spironolactone? 0.5mg duta and 200mg spironolactone daily?
     
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    sup my man.

    im 1 year on dutas 0.5 and 5 and half months on oral spironolactone 200 mg. so Far thicker hair and much regrowth but i Want more.

    if I cannot get estrogen 2 mg prescription. do You think that oral minoxidil 10 mg is a good replacement??
     
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    Yes, I did that for long time. Now I have upped my dose to 1mg dutasteride and somedays I take 250mg spironolactone

    congratulations for regrowth :D I don't have any experience with oral minoxidil, but others have had alot of success with it.
    I personally wouldn't use it orally, because it affects your whole body and has greater side effects.
    For me topical is just fine because im only receding from temples and they don't even sell oral minoxidil in my country.
     
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    michel sapin Senior Member My Regimen

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    still no gyno with your heavy regimen?
     
  14. Quineapig

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    Not yet, but I will have it soon. Then I just repeat the cycle.
     
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    First of all. I'm not sure how oral spironolactone can "fail". When you pretty much castrate yourself chemically and get rid of male hormones, how can you "not" regrow hair?

    Secondly, I don't see how dutasteride could "fail", especially with 0.5mg ED. That regimen has maintained my hair for a decade.

    Are you sure you sticked with these regimens long enough?

    BTW Accutante acne treatment can cause balding. Just so you know.

    Why do you "think"? You know you can do blood tests for both DHT and Test? Why did you not do that before, during and after treatment to really see which ones of them are effective? A logical thing would be to take finasteride/dutasteride and then measure changes in DHT and T levels. If you see greatly reduced DHT it means you won't be losing hair. I fail to understand how you could have went through all of those treatments and never did this basic thing.
     
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    You need to understand that everyone has different body chemistry. Some people have extremely sensitive androgen receptors. I am 23 and losing hair at the back of my head (Norwood 7 region). I took finasteride for 2 years and then switched to dutasteride. Been on dutasteride for a year now and still losing hair.
     
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    I take finasteride estradiol and flutamide which is super strong and every day I have less hair a sh*t this
     
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    michel sapin Senior Member My Regimen

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    so you only stop the med for a few week and it disapear? but how can it keep your hair gain?
     
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    Well... everyone's different you know..
    Then there's things called tolerance to the drug, hormone feedback mechanism and androgen receptors sensitivity. They change and you need to have bigger dose. I have not castrated myself at all :D I have only reduced my test by a little and blocked some of its receptors. Also I did get regrowth, alot of it actually.

    dutasteride is working for you because you have different genes... You seem to be expecting that everyones the same and what works for you works for others.

    I started my my drugs at 19 or 20 years old.. so yes, I have used them long enough and they already prolonged my youth with 5 years.

    Yes, I know accutane causes hairloss but it's usually just temporary and different kind. I had that little thinning all over but all grew back after stopping it. I had started balding before I used accutane and my hairloss was at the same stage as in the pic on the first page. Yes, Im sure that it didin't cause my androgenetic hairloss.

    I guess my Doctor did take blood tests at the beginning but I never asked for a copy. I could ask them if I want to but I don't really care anymore. Even if you see greatly reduced DHT it doesn't mean you won't be losing hair :) you should study more.
     
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    Yes, I quit for like 3-4 weeks. Gyno goes away before the hairs start falling. I do lose some hair and get oily skin but not much and they grow back.
    I don't know if this works for others tho.. My body is strange :)
     

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