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Approaching three years for me in January 2022 of needling, and it's done absolutely nothing. My hair density has decreased noticeably.
Follica is a failure
Follica is a failure
Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless
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Needling only or are you using anything else?
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Maybe it’s time for a poll…
hello guys
I've just finished 30 minute micro needling by dermapen 1 mm needle depth. then a few minutes needling by dermastamp too!!
the question is: why i don't bleed at all? just a little redness!!!
this is some photo's of my scalp to see the result!!!!!
am i doing it wrong?
and i apply minoxidil in the same time! but no pain !! just a little
I've just finished 30 minute micro needling by dermapen 1 mm needle depth. then a few minutes needling by dermastamp too!!
the question is: why i don't bleed at all? just a little redness!!!
this is some photo's of my scalp to see the result!!!!!
am i doing it wrong?
and i apply minoxidil in the same time! but no pain !! just a little
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The goal is not to bleed per se. Optimally you want to see erythema. What speed did you set your dermapen at?
Btw using a dermastamp at the same time won't help in any way. You can use a dermastamp prior to applying a topical solution to enhance absorption though.
Btw using a dermastamp at the same time won't help in any way. You can use a dermastamp prior to applying a topical solution to enhance absorption though.
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…and it depends on the machine you‘re using. You can have mild erythema with a 1.5mm dermaroller while having bloody scalp with the same depth with a derminator. Personally I use the derminator and it has a heavy punch. You can’t even compare dermapen with derminator. And the dermaroller depends on the pressure you put on it.
i dont know exactly about the speed. it has 5 different speeds. i often set it as 2 or 3 level!!!
this is my result: i use minoxidil twice a day.
I'm not sure if i had any improvement!!!
first day:
after 1 month:
after 50 days:
after 2.5 months
i have tried to take picture in the same light but there could be some differences!!! its in the same room the same light and same hair length. i go to a hair dresser and cute my hair every two weeks. then i got a shower and took this pictures.
in all the pictures, my hair length is 1.6 cm
i've added zix and a peptide serum to my daily regime since 2 weeks ago.
the interesting part is i have bout a pen microscope so i could count my hair density!!!
my donor hair is between 180 to 210 hair per cm.
the thinner parts also is between 170 to 200. my hair count is the same almost everywhere. just it's thin in my frontal part and the crown.
i didn't loose density its just thin. if i can thicken my hair, that would be a great success.
this is my result: i use minoxidil twice a day.
I'm not sure if i had any improvement!!!
first day:
after 1 month:
after 50 days:
after 2.5 months
i have tried to take picture in the same light but there could be some differences!!! its in the same room the same light and same hair length. i go to a hair dresser and cute my hair every two weeks. then i got a shower and took this pictures.
in all the pictures, my hair length is 1.6 cm
i've added zix and a peptide serum to my daily regime since 2 weeks ago.
the interesting part is i have bout a pen microscope so i could count my hair density!!!
my donor hair is between 180 to 210 hair per cm.
the thinner parts also is between 170 to 200. my hair count is the same almost everywhere. just it's thin in my frontal part and the crown.
i didn't loose density its just thin. if i can thicken my hair, that would be a great success.
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Our friend Dr Rachita Dhurat (who did the two big microneedling studies, and is also involved with Follica and MinoxiBoost) has co-edited a chapter on microneedling in the book Techniques in the Evaluation and Management of Hair Diseases.
She says that doing it weekly, at 1.5mm (dermaroller), is the best protocol.
I found the chapter online:
She says that doing it weekly, at 1.5mm (dermaroller), is the best protocol.
I found the chapter online:
https://books.google.be/books?id=vk...epage&q=rachita sanober microneedling&f=false
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i do it once per week!!! thank you, i will set the speed at 4 next times.
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We could need some more success stories here…
From the Cover: Wounding mobilizes hair follicle stem cells to form tumors
A wide variety of human cancers are associated with injury. Although stem cells participate in tissue regeneration after wounding, it is unclear whether these cells also contribute to epithelial tumors. Human basal cell carcinomas (BCCs) are associated ...
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From the Cover: Wounding mobilizes hair follicle stem cells to form tumors
A wide variety of human cancers are associated with injury. Although stem cells participate in tissue regeneration after wounding, it is unclear whether these cells also contribute to epithelial tumors. Human basal cell carcinomas (BCCs) are associated ...
Well that can't be good.
Did she specifically say a dermaroller over a dermapen?
This was either written before Follica did more testing or she is strictly talking about a dermaroller. Follica showed that 0.8mm with a dermapen fortnightly is superior, and my own experience corroborates their findings.
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From the Cover: Wounding mobilizes hair follicle stem cells to form tumors
A wide variety of human cancers are associated with injury. Although stem cells participate in tissue regeneration after wounding, it is unclear whether these cells also contribute to epithelial tumors. Human basal cell carcinomas (BCCs) are associated ...
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wtf?From the Cover: Wounding mobilizes hair follicle stem cells to form tumors
A wide variety of human cancers are associated with injury. Although stem cells participate in tissue regeneration after wounding, it is unclear whether these cells also contribute to epithelial tumors. Human basal cell carcinomas (BCCs) are associated ...
It was published this year. The chapter mostly talks about the dermaroller, as it is the most commonly used microneedling device and the Dhurat studies were also done with a dermaroller. She mentions that 200 wounds per cm2 are required, whereas Follica‘s device will produce 1600 needle wounds per cm2. This could perhaps explain the different optimal protocol? They are very different devices.
I myself am microneedling with the D2 every 10-14 days, because I want the wounds to properly heal. So far it’s working fine.
When I use my dermapen, it takes days to heal and it looks like I have chicken pox on my scalp. The nice thing about a dermaroller, for me at least, is that you can adjust the pressure. Some of the best results I've seen are from light rolling to induce only redness, once a week.
I actually think there is reason for concern, not just based on this study but others around wounding and cancer. The more you do it the more concerning it is. The problem is wounding isn't a permanent fix. It's something you have to keep doing for life if you don't want to lose the gains