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Before Topik and a comb over couldnt even save it was too obvious
Now I can conforably use topik and comb over without feeling paranoid
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Saved my social life
Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless
Before Topik and a comb over couldnt even save it was too obvious
Now I can conforably use topik and comb over without feeling paranoid
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Saved my social life
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Thanks @yayapapaya. I have been using either 1.5mm or 1.75mm. I hardly use 2.mm. Whats the speed mode you use? Like low, medium or fast? And how long do you needle?
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whats your regimen, mate ?
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~10 passes on fast. I needle the whole head, takes maybe 10 min total. After that, I apply max concentration LiCl dissolved in water and leave it for an hour before washing away. I believe it enhances regrowth even further and doesn't cost much. When you rub it in, it has to hurt, I think. I needle every 4-5 days.
Idk hard to tell, i’ll take good look later with my eyes are wide open lol
Thanks for the pictures buddy, I would say however if you want an accurate gauge for yourself and for us to give you an opinion on whether you have had some improvement then you need to brush your hair straight with a comb rather then to the side otherwise it will appear thicker on the newer photo even if its no better.
Having said that it does look better on the second photo, also like other have said the lighting could be playing a factor and ensure there is no remaining concealer in your hair before taking the pic if you use any.
I guess the problem is your regimen .why don't choose one that was tested and tried again?
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It looks like most who are on minoxidil are the ones who didn’t respond to it previously but stuck with it anyways? I’m not really buying the “now they added needling and bam, minoxidil worked so it must just be the minoxidil”! It felt more like it was the wounding that helped?
I stopped minoxidil and frankly don’t wanna start again because of the dred sheds and sides.
I’m going to try needling alone (I’m already on spironolactone for years but didn’t gain coverage. Still slowly losing ground) and hopefully will have something positive to report back.
I stopped minoxidil and frankly don’t wanna start again because of the dred sheds and sides.
I’m going to try needling alone (I’m already on spironolactone for years but didn’t gain coverage. Still slowly losing ground) and hopefully will have something positive to report back.
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Also, I don’t understand why people don’t stick it out for at least 12-18 months? Aren’t there people who didn’t respond until that timeframe? It doesn’t cost much to needle. Side effects are minimal. And most importantly, what else is there????
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Because needling alone doesn't do anything.
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Good sh*t broseph!
Ignore @roberta she’s one of those weird balding loner gals who spends way too much time on a needling thread trying to discredit needling.
One of the most useless contributors on this thread if not entire site.
Great results! Did you experience a shed at all or it get worse before better?
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I will try to take better picture after my next haircut. Maybe there is no improvement, maybe there is, we will see.
Thanks for finding this. Finally, more studies are being published. I was annoyed by the fact that we had few studies for something that allegedly works since 2013.
Anyway, I just read the paper. There are good news and bad news.
The good news, is that there's one more study providing evidence in support of needling. Again, it works.
The bad news, it does not work to the degree that we're reported in the previous Dhurat study. If you check the numbers, you'll find out that the hair increase and the patient self assessments is not as astronomically high as previously reported. These findings are absolutely more in line with what we are seeing in this trial: lots of people seeing no improvement and complaining. Why do they complain? Because the old previous study generated ridiculously high expectations.
Had this study been published way earlier, and before the Dhurat one, and perhaps people (including me) would have set more realistic expectations.
Note that although hair count mostly increases significantly in the needling+min group, most of the time patients are not able to assess this as progress because it's not cosmetically significant. This may be the case of the "non-responders" here, including me: perhaps our haircount has increased, but not to the point we can visually detect it as progress.
The main question is: is haircount going to increase further? All of the published studies have assessed this in a 3-6 month time frame. We still don't know whether this trend will hold up indefinitely (that would be convenient for us) or if it will stall at some point, as seen in the finasteride and minoxidil responde curve.
I will paste a very important paragraph of the paper:
"From the above discussion, it is evident that microneedling
is an effective, safe, and promising therapeutic modality
for the treatment of Androgenetic Alopecia along with topical minoxidil
5% solution. However, the therapeutic response recorded
in our “microneedling with topical minoxidil” group of
patients, though statistically superior to the responsei n the “minoxidil alone” group, is not cosmetically
significant when compared to the results of the study by
Dhurat et al.[3] Most plausible reasons for this finding
may be due to the difference in the procedures adopted
for evaluating the increase in hair count and also by not
making scalp shaving compulsory for our study subjects.
However, the sample size is small and the follow-up
period is short in both the studies. Though the response
achieved by microneedling in hair growth in our patients
is significant, it was further preserved only on continuous
use of minoxidil even after the study period. This finding
is similar to conventional modalities of treatment where
continuous long-term treatment is required to maintain
the response."
Yes:
"A derma roller of needle length 1.5mm (ReGe Roller
System; Geosmatic Cosmeceuticals and Cosmocare, Pune,
India) was rolled over the affected areas of the scalp after
proper cleansing in all directions (longitudinal, vertical,
and diagonal) until pinpoint bleeding was noted, which
was considered as the end point of the procedure. All
patients were instructed not to apply minoxidil on the day
of procedure and to resume its application 24h thereafter.
The patients were also instructed to apply minoxidil on a
clean and dry scalp and not to use hair oil."
Basically, almost the same as other studies.
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My opinion: I think it's nearly impossible to perform a good dermaroller wounding session with the classic non electronic Dermaroller on a non shaved head... That's the point of the study for me...they can't do it right ...also they mentioned it on their own("by not
making scalp shaving compulsory for our study subjects").
So more evidence that it's working and it would be working better if the would done those sessions with a pen.. because the hair gets not caught like on a dermaroller)
Only my opinion think what you want...
making scalp shaving compulsory for our study subjects").
So more evidence that it's working and it would be working better if the would done those sessions with a pen.. because the hair gets not caught like on a dermaroller)
Only my opinion think what you want...
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Well, it should be reminded that the Dhurat study back in 2013 also did it with a roller, rather than a pe,and curiously, it oddly reported exceptionally high numbers of hair count increase and responde rates. Weird, isn't it?
Your opinion makes sense to me, but that's something that should be tested empirically.