Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

74775446

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Is anyone collecting pictures to have them in a centralized place or post (ideally the first one of this thread)? I wanted to talk to my balding friend about this, I showed my improvements but obviously would like to show him more evidence so that he can give it a try. Latest two cases (@chen and the guy few pages ago, just forgot the name) are very good examples already though.

I've forgotten who put it together so sorry I can't give credit but one of the regular posters here compiled some:

http://imgur.com/a/9moOBwA
 

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The rest is still much the same as it was after about 9 months of doing this but I was so happy with the results that I didn't really expect much improvement beyond that.

I've been pretty lax with my dermarolling and minoxidil application. Can't remember the last time I used my dermaroller/pen and I fall asleep on the couch before I've put minoxidil in on a regular basis.
And you havent felt like having a bad hair day? That'd be good news as in it may seems that microneedling results are solid.
Lately I'm missing 1 or 2 days of min and/or finas a week and worries me that that's enough to f*** it all up
 

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Is anyone collecting pictures to have them in a centralized place or post (ideally the first one of this thread)? I wanted to talk to my balding friend about this, I showed my improvements but obviously would like to show him more evidence so that he can give it a try. Latest two cases (@chen and the guy few pages ago, just forgot the name) are very good examples already though.

It is a constant challenge. There's been some good summaries over time by a few dedicated users here. Someone already posted the imgur compilation which was the first <200 pages or so by @ThinnerBeginner

@nohairnolife did this summary of the most significant responders to date on Page 377.

Ideally it would be nice to begin compiling this on a separate results based thread with background included on everyone's regimens. Especially since some are not purely minoxidil+Needling.
 
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Because unluckily, i am also suffering from dandruff and mild seborrheic dermatitis.
And as far as i know, microneedling is contraindicated in the present of such these skin chronic inflammatory conditions.
Although now some anti-dandruff shampoos are keeping mine almost under control, but i am afraid if microneedling cause flare-up of it and makes it worse.
I think i will consult a dermatologist.

inflammation is surely caused by the aag itself(dht). I also had mild dermatitis and dandruff and since I started dermarolling my skin looks way better. I even dropped nizoral
 

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inflammation is surely caused by the aag itself(dht). I also had mild dermatitis and dandruff and since I started dermarolling my skin looks way better. I even dropped nizoral

Im still waiting for someone to answer: does ketaconzole defeat the purpose of needling? Ketaconzole is an anti inflammatory and wounding regenerates hair by inflammation.
 

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It is a constant challenge. There's been some good summaries over time by a few dedicated users here. Someone already posted the imgur compilation which was the first <200 pages or so by @ThinnerBeginner

@nohairnolife did this summary of the most significant responders to date on Page 377.

Ideally it would be nice to begin compiling this on a separate results based thread with background included on everyone's regimens. Especially since some are not purely minoxidil+Needling.


Either that or edit this one's thread OP (@ZenHead ) or the FAQS one (@Bill_Russo )
 

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In response to Lenuam as well:

Natural DHT Blockers (Blocks by 5-AR types 1 and 2, potentially 3 as well)

Pumpkin Seed Oil (1000mg)
Tumeric(1000mg)

Do you consume pumpkin seed oil and and turmeric in the form of capsules or food items?
 

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Is drawing blood absolutely necessary? I needle at 1.5mm and get no blood, just slight redness at temples. Does this mean I’m not pressing hard enough?
 

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I think this is very important advice.

At present I don't see much, if any difference looking at the mirror 2.5 months in. Yet I am staring at the hairline and temples in the mirror (obviously the hardest and latest areas that will see progress, if any - especially based on your progress). Most activity has been at my crown - which I can't see in a mirror. One's memory and ability to compare status from months ago is impossible. That's best left to a photo.

Taking good photos is also very hard. Lighting and angles can really change your perception of what is going on for the better, or worse. You can convince yourself nothing is happening due to bad photos.

Very true. When I started taking photos I didn't think about consistent angles and lighting. Also realized how bad phones are at close up photos, at least my phone anyway.

It's quick to lose track of where you started especially when looking every day. Those closest to you who see you every day won't say anything about the gradual changes either. Combination of the gradualness of the changes with the fact that its perceived as a sensitive thing to talk about a balding dudes hair, even if it's intended as a compliment, I guess.
 

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Is drawing blood absolutely necessary? I needle at 1.5mm and get no blood, just slight redness at temples. Does this mean I’m not pressing hard enough?

People definitely bleed at different rates, and it's hard not to question effectiveness if you aren't seeing blood.

I just did my first 1.5mm derma pen last night (on medium speed) and got no blood whatsoever, but a very red and sensitive scalp, which is still red 16 hours later.

I was getting a little bit of blood from the 1.5mm derma rolling but that may have been because of the wider angles the rolling takes as opposed to stamping, it may have just been gashing me a bit.

I don't know if there is enough data out there to definitively state whether bleeding is necessary or not. I do know that I will be upping the speed and/or depth to see if I will bleed and can take the pain if I increase. I will just push to my limit regardless of if I bleed or not.
 

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Im still waiting for someone to answer: does ketaconzole defeat the purpose of needling? Ketaconzole is an anti inflammatory and wounding regenerates hair by inflammation.

No idea but I used it while I was getting my results. I haven't used it for a couple of months now but I did at the start once or twice a week.
 

74775446

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Is drawing blood absolutely necessary? I needle at 1.5mm and get no blood, just slight redness at temples. Does this mean I’m not pressing hard enough?

No it isn't necessary. There's no mention of blood in the studies: the Indian one, for example, refers only to 'mild erythema'.
 

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Wait that’s not true. Most people here are trialing this because finasteride is an epic c*** killler.

But it is true, most of the best regrowths are from finasteride+min users, dutasteride users.. dermaroll/pen only users are a novelty so not as much evidence of success.

What's clear is that we want ideally use EVERYTHING. We must nuke androgens from our scalp as well as use whatever growth factors this triggers. Of course we must do it locally, not become choirboys.. that's the challenge.
 

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My wrist hurts from scrolling through 300 something pages but I decided to compile the most significant results from earlier in the thread. On microneedling this is (given none of these are fakes) all we really know for sure.

I don't think we have any information, good or bad, yet on maintenance over the long term. From what I saw even 2young wouldn't post current pictures although claims his hair stayed.

I'm in the process of gathering photos to add to this later, there are also some other examples from tressless that I have to look into

74775446 aka Numbers (holy crap I missed that war, Brotzu rest his soul)



2young2retire



prettyfly83



MyThinningConfidence



MinervaCGI has a bunch of impressive pictures he didn't source lol

MussNuss



Ludachris Batbak



layabout



Gomi (get a drink for this one)



chen



Hakandogan



Claims to address

"Minoxidil affects collagen"
"Minoxidil immediately applied affects regrowth"
"Minoxidil immediately applied is unsafe"
"Needling affects calcification or fibrosis"
"Hair regrows in the same order it bald...balded (beld?)"
"Drawing blood triggers regrowth"
"Needling alone can or can't produce regrowth"
"Basically does any topical besides minoxidil affect regrowth"

Let me know if I am missing information. If you would like to contribute to this list please post photos with cosmetically substantial regrowth. It's much harder to tell why a result hasn't occurred than to speculate why a clear result did occur

Other good writeups

Very Impressive Dermarolling

And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

Very nice, to contribute to the database, ideally participants would test their hormone, vitamin, mineral levels.. anything that could be related to growth factors. Namely, thyroid hormonal levels, sexual hormones (DHT, etc) growth factors such as GH, IGF 1, and other relevant growth factors.. that's what we should do if we want to be scientific and see which profiles are the ones responding the best at dermapen or dermarolling.
 

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Reading the abstract from the chinese study, it seems their theory is that microneedling enhances absorption which leads to growth whereas the indian study theorizes it is growth factors from wounding that leads to growth. Probably why in the chinese study they apply minoxidil right after wounding. But microneedling is only done once every two weeks so how much could absorption actually be a factor

Minoxidil afaik has a lifetime of around 22 hours, so assuming the healing of the scalp is almost done in a couple of days.. thats just a couple of days of increased absorption in 14 days.

Unless dermarolling or penning has a permanent change in the structure of the scalp allowing for increased absorption even if you do it every 2 weeks as the chinese study, i don't see how it would be relevant to put minoxidil right after. Just trying to use logic here.
 

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Well I clicked on the link of the Spanish forum where that guy posted his progress. Not to sound snobbish but his grammar was so so bad (like illiterate) that I kind of disregarded his thread.

My theory(s) on that guy's lost of hair:

1) He has suffered from something similar to damage done by hair transplants: shock loss, due the agressive rolling
2) Androgens have fucked up his hair and cancelled the regrowth
3) It's a scam
 

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Congrats.

So being more or less bald are you saying you started this regime as a Norwood 4 or 5?

I'm not sure what that means -- I haven't lost more hair since I started. What hair appears to be growing, is growing in the reverse pattern as I lost it.

The guys complaining about not getting to norwood 0 or 1 seem odd to me. I've been balding since a teenager (I'm 36 now). It got me upset in the beginning and I'd check this board every year and everything was always "5-6 years away" and most people lost hope and assumed going bald was inevitable. Now people are growing their hair back in a matter of months and it's still hard for me (and many others) to believe. If you're at a n1 or n2 or whatever and you're on this board, you may be the first people in human existence that were able to "catch their hairloss before it got worse" and believe with some confidence that you can keep the hair you have without paying for transplants.
 
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Minoxidil afaik has a lifetime of around 22 hours, so assuming the healing of the scalp is almost done in a couple of days.. thats just a couple of days of increased absorption in 14 days.

Unless dermarolling or penning has a permanent change in the structure of the scalp allowing for increased absorption even if you do it every 2 weeks as the chinese study, i don't see how it would be relevant to put minoxidil right after. Just trying to use logic here.

This was my thought before as well, until i used the derminator. I think absorption is increased even days after because i can feel my scalp sting a bit from the sweqt while at the gym a day after using it
 
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