Take it easy... don't get upset because some stranger disliked one of your posts. It was because he started big 3 about three months prior to needling so the hype in this case is too much imo
Good for you, you don't get sides with Minoxidil! But sadly you ≠ everyone else. A roster of common side effects lists people experiencing dizziness, fainting, chest pain, irregular heartbeat, difficult breathing and even unusual weight gain. So much for "no sides" eh? Nice to see yet another case of regrowth on completely bald areas. Congrats and welcome, buddy!
After reading @chen 's post I decided to buy a 1MM dermaroller and try a less frequent version of his regimen. Old regimen -> Derma-rolling with 1.5mm dermaroller until mild bleeding (just mild tiny cuts. Not as aggressive bleeding as some others). I used to do this once a week. No minoxidil for 24 hrs after dermarolling and I used to feel some burning sensation on the scalp for a day or two after dermarolling. I tried chen's style today. I did not derma-roll the old way until mild bleeding but just rolled across the scalp for 10 mins normally. Like massaging in some sense. Now 4 hrs later when I was applying minoxidil I could feel slight pain in the scalp while using my finger to spread the minoxidil. My theory is that although there's no visible damage there is indeed some micro-level injury to the scalp. This causes the body to release healing factors to the scalp (similar to what happens when you get small cuts). By doing this everyday chen was able to reverse the balding because the healing factors released by the body nourished his hair follicles and the hair started getting healthier over time. So, my new regimen is -> 1) Mild rolling like chen twice a week so that the body keeps releasing growth factors. 2) Old style of harsher rolling once a week with 1.5mm I am not sure if it will work and if it works will it work as well as it works for chen. But I'll try my best to document the process honestly and post my results here.
@tressful11 - it is hard to argue with his results! Do you feel that your 1.5mm harsher rolling should be cut to bi-weekly, or monthly - if you're doing a more frequent lighter rolling?
I am certainly willing to experiment. I will continue modifying the regimen as and when I feel necessary. Right now with weekly harsh rolling I am going to give the scalp 2-3 days to heal and then do the mild rolling. Mild rolling will only be twice a week. So it's still not as frequent as chen's regimen
Listen to your body - great idea. Healing is a big part of the game here as well. Do you find with rolling - you get peeling, flaking skin afterwards? With my pen - I usually start to see that around Day 4. Otherwise my scalp feels pretty decent by that time. I remember @Ludachris Batbak commented that he rolled prior to his recent Sept-January re-growth success, yet he experienced flaking (or more) with the Pen, versus with the Roller.
Yes, flaking starts for me on day 2 and slowly goes down by around day 3-4. I think the reason for more flaking with pen is due to the more consistency in covering your entire scalp. With dermaroller you might press more harder in certain areas and less harder in others. With dermaroller most of the pressure is controlled by you
It shed a bit, but yeah my crown is getting better, as the rest of my hair is. I'm currently growing it all out now, will be updating soon.
But isn't that even better?I mean, if a almost completly bald head can regrow hair, lower nordwoods should do at least as good as the higher nws
Yeah but i find it likely most people with a lot of hair would avoid seemingly drastic approaches like needling before it had concrete evidence. So we will likely have to wait for this generation of needlers before we now one way or the other. I'm a norwood II, closing in on three months very soon. Hopefully i will be able to share some progress within the next three months, so far it seems to be making the tiny blond hairs in my recently lost areas grow longer but still to early for any drastic changes
Because the hair is returning in the same period it has vanished. So it just takes time. But I get what you mean But wasnt the numberguy close to Norwood 1 or 0
That’s because most people with NW3 or lower only have balding in the temples. They would need to regrow hair in slick bald areas and I’ve only seen very few do that with very aggressive regime.
@Merkules - Pretty sure he still had receded temples. He restored most (all?) of the hair to where his hairline was at. I believe he was concentrating on temples now IIRC... but I think JonnyGo is right, that's going to take a lot of time due to growing it from a bald area.
I think in a way were all setting a really high expectation in a short time period. i'm definitely guilty as well. I look at my hair daily for changes when i should be looking monthly. I've had very nice thickening in just 2 months. I know if it continues i'd get to where i want to. I also have to remind myself its going to take alot more time. As some have mentioned its a marathon not a sprint. I think chen is a great example, he saw results and continues to see results 2 years later, albeit at a slow pace. I still think thats the biggest promise in needling. Being able to potentially compound on results over time without treatment losing effectiveness.
Yeah... That's my consurance, it's hard top regrow temples. Although I think NW3 id beyond temples, so it's not that hard to reach NW2
Even slight regrowth on a bald head is obvious (and looks like a lot of regrowth) because of the drastic contrast. The same regrowth on a person with diffuse hairloss wont even be noticeable. So i suspect that bald headed folks and people with diffuee hairloss are probably getting the same regrowth, but for people with more hair, it is hard to discern, therefore more regrowth(ie time ) will be needed to make it visuallly noticeable. This is also why almost everyone has reported fine hairs on the temple, because its easier to notice compared to else where on the head
At about 4.5 months with Derminator 1x week/minoxidil 2x day. I'm more or less bald but in the right light i can see hundreds if not thousands of super thin but pigmented hairs growing. They don't show up without looking really hard at just the right angle, but they are indeed terminals -- I have a lot of the non-pigmented hairs too but they don't really help.
So i did my first session today with the derminator 2, i did it at 1.5mm. First impression, a little intimidating but once your ease your way in, its not that bad at all. Compared to using a 1.5mm dermaroller, it is less painful, and more bloody ( if used at high speed setting).In the end, my head is throbbing, which feels marvelous ( like a massage). I will probably only do this once every week aa compared to once a week with the dermaroller mainly because i bled more, buflt we will see A few questions for the folks that use the derminator: 1) do use the high speed? I started off using the medium setting, but it felt like it was doing nothing, so i turned it to the high speed setting, which is MUCH faster and thats when i started getting blood spots 2) the website suggests to go in circles, but i find this difficult to apply moderate pressure while going in circles and then its also much harder to keep track of the spots you hit, so i switched back to vertical and horizontal lines. What motion do you do it in? 3) how many passes are needed? Once i turned it to high speed setting, one vertical pass was enough to make me bleed evenly. So i jist did one more for good measure. I know with dermarolling its suggested to do like 9 passes in an area. But given that the high speed setting is so fast, one pass is probably equivalent to at least 9 passes with a dermaroller. 4) if bled in one pass, is that suffice to active wound healing or is bleeding not an indicator of that? This sort of goes into question 3
